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While I have been called conservative liberal or, depending on your point of view, a liberal conservative, I am really a centrist who does believe we can all get along...but it sure takes a hell of a lot more effort than just blowing the S**T out of each other. As Steven Wright once said "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize"...and many have! Steven |
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Steven- if ti isw a war for land, than why were ther terrorist attacks fro 1948 to 1967 when we didn't own the West Bank or Gaza, and why where there terrorist attacks days after we pulled out of gaza? Why was the 1947 Partition plan denies as well as countless other land for peace agreements?
I don't know if you noticed bu there was guy in that video- Wallid Shoeblat was a former PLO terrorist that moved here and converted to christianity. He spoke at my school last year and told us.... Don't waste your time with giving the Palestinians land. They don't want land. They want you dead. This wasn't coming from some right wing Jew, this was coming from a former Palestinian that lived his life with them for more than 18 years. I'd sasy he has a pretty good grasp on things. |
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Remember, Islam has nothing agains Judaism, Arabs have nothing against Jews...if not those synagogues (some more than 800 years old) wouldn't be there, nor would you have Arab Israelis, nor would you have Muslims living in Israel. This whole thing is a land grab. Much as the Arabs believe that is how Israel was formed (a land grab agains them) they are trying to do the same thing to Israel. Steven |
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But, looking at it as a land grab (which I'm not discounting) ignores the fact that there are many of the extremists who have now generalized the land issue into a hatred of the Jewish race in general. If you gave them ALL the land, they'd still want to and try to kill the ones they perceive as their "enemy" -
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BTW, there are quite a few Arabs who believe that this is a land grab that has turned into political hot potato and that there is no real value to the argument. In fact, many hoped that when Yasser Arafat died that much of this would go away, as this was his raison d'etre. He did....it didn't. Steven |
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Steven, you gotta stop the garbage of a land grab. If your definition of "land grab" is to obtain all the land, and I mean every square inch in not just Israel but every square inch on every single continent with all the non muslims dead, then yes. It is indeed a land grab. Otherwise it's not. Let's say one day *poof* Israel disapears and becomes Palestine. No Jews there at all... we move to Uganda. Do you really think that the radical Muslims will just give up and say, thank you very much. We're good now. DO you think they'll just stop burining Israeli, American, and British flags?? America has taken none of thier land, nor has Britain, yet their flags are beling stepped on, burned, and desecrated along with the flag of the Jewish State. Let's make one thing clear though: There was never a sovereign "Palestine" that the jews "stole" from the palestinians. The land was owned by Turkey, then Britain, then the UN decalred a partition plan in 1947: The jews (then called the palestinians) accepted, the Arabs did not. Thus, The Jews declared the state of Israel, while the Arabs could have done the same but did not declare a state, rather stocked up on weapons and continued its daily terrorist attacks. Once again, if all the land in Israel is all they want then there would not be a Sept. 11th or Madrid train bombings, or Iraq car bombings, or Egyptian hotel bombings, or London bus bombings..... It's not just the land. period. |
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I agree, this is not merely a land grab, it cuts much deeper than that. This is all truly about ideology -- radical Islam's warped worldview.
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Also interesting that you address Zoli: "Because at that time you owned (and still do) something that they believe is their birthright. The rest of Israel." Zoli's location says NY. hehe, a little irony. On another small but interesting point, if there are Muslims that aren't interested in Segway because it was invented by a Jew (Pam's anecdote - maybe on the other Israel thread), then I could not even imagine the amount of science and technology they would have to turn away from. A search of "Jewish" in Wikipedia's article on the Manhattan Project would indicate that they would have to ignore nukes too.
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You are also equating the burning of flags to the bombing of and in Israel. The burning of the flags often have to do with expressions of hate and disgust and may lead to bombings but don't mean anything more than symbolic events. You are also making an unstated claim (that is, you are attempting to create a tie in) of: They burn Israeli flags They attack Israel They burn US and UK flags ERGO They must be about to attack US and UK Based on that analogy, Venezuela, Cuba, and most of the countries in the G8 are also going to attack the US.... Quote:
I also never said that I believe the Balfour Treaty and the ensuing UN initiatives were wrong. I reiterate...the Arabs feel this was wrong and that these wrongs are the root cause of their angst. Quote:
1. Sept 11th - Anger against the Great Satan (US) 2. Madrid - Retribution for Spain's support of and action in Iraq 3. Iraq car bombings - Attempt to overthrow a new government / country and to inflict damage on the US 4. Egyptian Hotels - Muslim Brotherhood trying to overthrow Hosni Mubarak's government and install a Sharia compliant government 5. London bombings - Attack against the UK for their participation in Iraq and Afghanistan and their support of the Great Satan. Don't confuse A and B....it is what polarization is all about! Steven |
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