New Battery Technology from Stanford

Dave Bittner · 12-20-2007, 10:19 AM

http://news-service.stanford.edu/new...re-010908.html

Interesting news on a battery technology that could yield much higher battery capacity than current systems. The inventors are claiming up to 10x the capacity of current lithium ion batteries by combining already mature technologies, and hoping to get to market quickly.

SEGsby · 12-20-2007, 12:50 PM

Interesting. Wonder how sensitive to vibration silicon nanowires are...

SEGsby

ryanj0 · 12-20-2007, 02:26 PM

This certainly looks like it could revolutionize everything electrical!

Jeremy Ryan

Desert_Seg · 12-20-2007, 04:18 PM

The biggest problem that I envision would be the possibility of an electrical discharge causing a fire. This, potentially, could mean no travel with the new batteries.

I would need to do some more research into this but the potential is obviously there or they wouldn't be starting a company.

Steven+

polo_pro · 12-20-2007, 11:50 PM

I spotted this today too. Dave beat me to posting it...rep points for you!

I share alot of the concerns mentioned above, but I think one of the biggest hurdles is going to be scalability. Sure, you can grow/throw together some silicon nanowires, but what happens when you try to grow/construct a cubic inch of the stuff?

ps - If they're worried about migrating Li ions pulverizing the silicon, you'd think vibrations are going to be an issue too.

drmarty · 12-28-2007, 01:56 AM

Remember, there is little new under the sun.

The other maker of Lithium Iron Phosphate cells (besides Valance) is A123 systems. Their trademarked technology is called "Nanophosphate" Tada!

They use nanotechnology (a different one) to acheive their results. Smaller molecules gives more surface area so yada, yada, yada. Their technology is from MIT.

So while interesting and different this "new" cell seems more of a variation on a current technology than comlpetely new. Who knows? I am all for them, however. We (the World) needs all the advances we can get. I want to drive my Segway all week then recharge it while I go to the restroom and then glide off again.

Marty

PS anybody have bad Lithiums? Since we can't get info on our cells from Inc. or any other way we need old ones to work on. We will pay to ship 'em. Help.

Parts is Parts.

SEGsby · 12-30-2007, 03:43 PM

I have a bad battery I've replaced. But lets see what the Dealer wants to do with it, first. No one will be at LLC to make decisions until after the holidays.

SEGsby

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Originally Posted by drmarty

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PS anybody have bad Lithiums? Since we can't get info on our cells from Inc. or any other way we need old ones to work on. We will pay to ship 'em. Help.

Parts is Parts.

drmarty · 01-05-2008, 07:38 AM

Segsby,

Thanks for getting a hold of me. As I said I will probably be up Wednesday. I just wanted to acknowledge your contact here to thank you in public for helping out. And it will be good to not glide with you this weekend.

Lets Ride

Marty

bentbiker · 01-05-2008, 01:30 PM

Marty,
Aren't you treading on David's (don't know his screen name here) toes by doing an autopsy? Seriously, we await your analysis. Good luck to us all.

Thanks, Segsby. You deserve 850 rep points for contributing the battery. Sorry that means INC must have told you to take a hike.

John

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Originally Posted by drmarty

Segsby,

Thanks for getting a hold of me. As I said I will probably be up Wednesday. I just wanted to acknowledge your contact here to thank you in public for helping out. And it will be good to not glide with you this weekend.

Lets Ride

Marty

SEGsby · 01-07-2008, 04:45 AM

Bentbiker: You would be guessing correctly.

As you know, the good news is that the second replacement appears to be working quite well. The first one threw red lights after finishing the deep charge cycle and was promptly returned. Red lights bad! The seemingly high failure rate for Segway Batteries is disconcerting, at best...

Dr Marty: You can call me on my cell and stop by the Studio at any time. If you drop by at 12 on Wednesday, we could do lunch at the Famous Firehouse Cafe, not far from Gold's Gym. My treat.

SEGsby

12-20-2007, 10:19 AM	#1
Dave Bittner Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Columbia, MD, USA. Posts: 55	New Battery Technology from Stanford http://news-service.stanford.edu/new...re-010908.html Interesting news on a battery technology that could yield much higher battery capacity than current systems. The inventors are claiming up to 10x the capacity of current lithium ion batteries by combining already mature technologies, and hoping to get to market quickly.

12-28-2007, 01:56 AM	#6
drmarty Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Anaheim California Posts: 530	"New" Remember, there is little new under the sun. The other maker of Lithium Iron Phosphate cells (besides Valance) is A123 systems. Their trademarked technology is called "Nanophosphate" Tada! They use nanotechnology (a different one) to acheive their results. Smaller molecules gives more surface area so yada, yada, yada. Their technology is from MIT. So while interesting and different this "new" cell seems more of a variation on a current technology than comlpetely new. Who knows? I am all for them, however. We (the World) needs all the advances we can get. I want to drive my Segway all week then recharge it while I go to the restroom and then glide off again. Marty PS anybody have bad Lithiums? Since we can't get info on our cells from Inc. or any other way we need old ones to work on. We will pay to ship 'em. Help. Parts is Parts.

01-05-2008, 07:38 AM	#8
drmarty Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Anaheim California Posts: 530	Battteries Segsby, Thanks for getting a hold of me. As I said I will probably be up Wednesday. I just wanted to acknowledge your contact here to thank you in public for helping out. And it will be good to not glide with you this weekend. Lets Ride Marty

01-07-2008, 04:45 AM	#10
SEGsby Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: California Posts: 2,114	Batteries and Buffalo Burgers Bentbiker: You would be guessing correctly. As you know, the good news is that the second replacement appears to be working quite well. The first one threw red lights after finishing the deep charge cycle and was promptly returned. Red lights bad! The seemingly high failure rate for Segway Batteries is disconcerting, at best... Dr Marty: You can call me on my cell and stop by the Studio at any time. If you drop by at 12 on Wednesday, we could do lunch at the Famous Firehouse Cafe, not far from Gold's Gym. My treat. SEGsby

12-20-2007, 12:50 PM	#2
SEGsby Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: California Posts: 2,114	Interesting. Wonder how sensitive to vibration silicon nanowires are... SEGsby

12-20-2007, 02:26 PM	#3
ryanj0 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 80	This certainly looks like it could revolutionize everything electrical! Jeremy Ryan

12-20-2007, 04:18 PM	#4
Desert_Seg Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Dubai, United Arab Emirates. Posts: 2,533	The biggest problem that I envision would be the possibility of an electrical discharge causing a fire. This, potentially, could mean no travel with the new batteries. I would need to do some more research into this but the potential is obviously there or they wouldn't be starting a company. Steven+

12-20-2007, 11:50 PM	#5
polo_pro Advanced Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sacramento, CA, USA. Posts: 2,608	I spotted this today too. Dave beat me to posting it...rep points for you! I share alot of the concerns mentioned above, but I think one of the biggest hurdles is going to be scalability. Sure, you can grow/throw together some silicon nanowires, but what happens when you try to grow/construct a cubic inch of the stuff? ps - If they're worried about migrating Li ions pulverizing the silicon, you'd think vibrations are going to be an issue too.

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