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Mac 32 46.38%
PC 19 27.54%
Linux 1 1.45%
combination 17 24.64%
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Old 07-04-2009, 12:11 PM   #11
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in absolute, with an one iMac 20' -1100€-, i buy 3x Desktop PC -300€- ... with the same power on CPU, hard-drive and RAM/Graphic Card.

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20 FEET PANEL!? i think 1100EUR is cheap for that

You have to remember to add a 20" panel, and again, same size and all...
Also, remember that the iMac is actually laptop hardware, so you should compare to that, not a desktop.

I agree that a Mac is very expensive, but people forget that they can't just compare the speeds/memory sizes of the hardware, but you have to add the size of the hardware to the mix, materials for it (Glass screen, aluminum body... all that), which does cost a whole lot of dollars...

Still expensive, but i don't know anyone who remembers to put it into the equation...
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What the hell is this, Gizmodo?

Every time some there's a post even remotely about Mac or PC having a feature or something superior to the other, a major flame war erupts.

This thread has been civil so far and I hope it stays that way. Besides, everyone know PCs are better than macs.
Since Gizmodo has gone over to the dark side, we seem to all have collectively decided to replace it. Once we get the traffic numbers up, Frank will have to start selling ads to pay for the servers, then get rich.

Anyway -- so far, the results suggest that the OS bias is about the same as the general bias here -- we have more technical people here than in society at large, higher income, and more people working in graphics and film.

And I suspect that people with unusual (i.e. "not just a PC or two") stuff are more likely to post.
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Why is Linux an option in a platform poll?
PC and Mac are hardware platforms, Linux is an OS... So, either you mean "Mac OS, Linux, Windows or a combination", or Linux doesn't fit into the category of the Poll, since it runs on both Mac's and PC's (Well, unless you managed to run software without hardware :O)
Windows runs on Macs as well. "Platform" generally refers to the hardware+software that underlie the application software. Exactly what this means depends on context -- sometimes it's the OS, sometimes mostly the hardware, sometimes very specific software (e.g. an application server).

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Bob: Amazon EC2 Cloud account for a family Wiki? Well, maybe your Wiki is very CPU intensive, but isn't that a bit of an overkill? :P
It's a matter of economics -- time and money. I don't have to buy a server, I can turn it off at night and not pay, I don't pay for electricity, I don't have it taking up space, I don't have to set up and maintain and service it....

I don't need another UPS to start feeping at me during the next power outage this winter.

I set it up and put it into service faster than I've ever put any physical PC into service -- and it was my first try with EC2.

I can manage it from my iPhone -- even upgrade it. I can access it from anywhere -- I don't have to make a hole in my home firewall -- and don't have to deal with the dynamic IP I get with my cable service. I get more uptime.

If I need more storage, I can just configure it. Backups are trivial, if I back up to the cloud. (I may want to reverse my usual practice, and back up FROM the cloud to local storage as a second backup type. I don't do single backup types anymore).
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Why is Linux an option in a platform poll?
PC and Mac are hardware platforms, Linux is an OS... So, either you mean "Mac OS, Linux, Windows or a combination", or Linux doesn't fit into the category of the Poll, since it runs on both Mac's and PC's (Well, unless you managed to run software without hardware :O)
I have plenty of PC's and one Mac... but i never run anything non-*nix

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well linux is such a separate os that most consider them being a completely independent entity from the others. not to mention, most linux users actually build their own computers.
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most linux users actually build their own computers.
Actually, I doubt this is true.

I think the converse is more likely to be true -- perhaps most people who build their own computers run Linux. Saves buying a retail copy of Windows, and Apple won't let you.

But I think most people running Linux run them on stock hardware -- often older left-over hardware. But also high-end brand-new server hardware. Or in virtual machines, as in my case, so you can have your cake and eat it, too.

(BTW, my EC2 instance is running Fedora 8 -- I checked the console log from my iPhone).
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budsiskos, most people build their own computers
Apart from my parents and my sisters, everyone i know have build their own (Well, my friends, not family...)

And, you still mentioned 2 platforms that Linux runs on... You should have chosen OS's if you want to differentiate from Linux... (And, i think you by PC, meant Windows users anyway )

BSD is also a separate OS. SkyOS is also a separate OS... No matter how you look at it, you can't compare software to hardware...

Again, a PC can run Mac OS X, Linux, Windows, all sorts of odd software, and so can the Macintosh.
So, do you want to know what hardware people run on, or what software they run on it?

If it's hardware, you could ask "PC - Preassembled, PC - Assembled, Mac, or Other" (What about people on ARM or SPARC? :P), if it's software, it would be "Windows, Mac OS, Linux based, BSD based, Other"... currently, you're comparing Apple to oranges (Couldn't help it ).

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Windows runs on Macs as well. "Platform" generally refers to the hardware+software that underlie the application software. Exactly what this means depends on context -- sometimes it's the OS, sometimes mostly the hardware, sometimes very specific software (e.g. an application server).
Yeah, well, i meant hardware :P

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It's a matter of economics -- time and money. I don't have to buy a server, I can turn it off at night and not pay, I don't pay for electricity, I don't have it taking up space, I don't have to set up and maintain and service it....
My server wasn't that expensive... I just put together an ordinary PC... And my parents pay the electricity bills
Also, maintenance is part of the fun!

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I don't need another UPS to start feeping at me during the next power outage this winter.
I can't remember my last power-outage... My power-company must be way more stable than the average US power-company... (I think we have 3-4 power-companies, one of them maintain most of Denmark), so no need for a UPS

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I set it up and put it into service faster than I've ever put any physical PC into service -- and it was my first try with EC2.
I will train assembly and installation of a PC, faster than you can set an EC2 instance up!

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I can manage it from my iPhone -- even upgrade it. I can access it from anywhere -- I don't have to make a hole in my home firewall -- and don't have to deal with the dynamic IP I get with my cable service. I get more uptime.
I always manage my server from my G1... Well, i can't upgrade it... WAIT! I can call a friend off mine, and have him do it! All through the phone
I don't have a hole in my firewall, it IS my firewall It handles the whole network... And i have a static IP

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If I need more storage, I can just configure it. Backups are trivial, if I back up to the cloud. (I may want to reverse my usual practice, and back up FROM the cloud to local storage as a second backup type. I don't do single backup types anymore).
If I need more storage, i add another disk to the RAID :P
And, since i run a RAID with server-class HDD's, i don't do backups (Well, i didn't do it before either... Real men don't backup! I just remember the binary data, and then use a butterfly to magnetize the disk again (Like this: http://xkcd.com/378/ :P)

Also, i think i remember you signature from somewhere...
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budsiskos, most people build their own computers
Apart from my parents and my sisters, everyone i know have build their own (Well, my friends, not family...)

And, you still mentioned 2 platforms that Linux runs on... You should have chosen OS's if you want to differentiate from Linux... (And, i think you by PC, meant Windows users anyway )

BSD is also a separate OS. SkyOS is also a separate OS... No matter how you look at it, you can't compare software to hardware...

Again, a PC can run Mac OS X, Linux, Windows, all sorts of odd software, and so can the Macintosh.
So, do you want to know what hardware people run on, or what software they run on it?

If it's hardware, you could ask "PC - Preassembled, PC - Assembled, Mac, or Other" (What about people on ARM or SPARC? :P), if it's software, it would be "Windows, Mac OS, Linux based, BSD based, Other"... currently, you're comparing Apple to oranges (Couldn't help it ).
Forget about the hardware -- his poll makes better sense if you interpret "platform" as "OS". You're stuck on the hardware.

It's a bit narrow, though, as you point out, BSD, or IRIX, etc. are not Linux.
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Exactly, that's what i thought he meant (Windows=PC, Mac=Mac OS, Linux=... Linux :P), and that's why i corrected him... I use PC's daily, but i wouldn't touch Windows...
Anyway, i think you all get my point
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Apple all the way!
1.) Cube (the one i use daily)
2.) dual proccessor tower (wife's)
3.) Powerbook G4 12.1" (wife's)
4.) Macbook intel dual-core (mine)

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