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pt · 05-31-2003, 03:06 AM

some other news on the jack front.

i now heard jack is going for the "slash and burn" style for a few months until the local authorities stop him, he then sells the units for most of their value and he makes a cool profit.

the cops have chased him away a few times, he puts people in areas where they hts are not allowed, there are complaints and all sorts of bad things.

in canada they have socialized health care, so they're a little more worried than private health care countries (usa) since when you get hurt, the nation pays in canada.

more later as i learn more, jack still hasn't replied to my email(s).

think about this, rental places like jack buy a bunch of hts, rent for high prices, get banned, sell the hts a good price, profit.

i used to think segways would have a hard time because of advocacy groups not being educated on what the ht is, they're nothing compare to the real problem i see. greed. the pursuit of money is really going to the thing that will hurt us the most i feel.

i hope i'm wrong.

cheers,
pt

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pt · 05-31-2003, 03:32 AM

so i wasn't that wrong :-] i can't see all 16 hts being used at once or someone being able to train them all. although, i now feel that jack doesn't care based on everything i've seen and heard.

i'm sure he'll make a killing, literally.

cheers,
pt

Quote:

quote:Originally posted by dexter

>>16 segway hts would need to be used 24 hours per day for 166 days to break even for the cost of the hts ($80,000).

Looks like you calculated for the Segways only being ridden one at a time instead of concurrently. If all the Segs are always rented, that brings in a total of $320 per hour (16 x $20). That gives a "break even" point of 250 hours, or 11 days.

That's what you get for letting your ROBOT DOG do the math

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PoloAk · 05-31-2003, 03:36 AM

Hmm. . .well, i'll be in B.C. in a few weeks. Maybe he'll end up duct taped to a telephone pole (jk)!

Kelsey

pt · 05-31-2003, 03:43 AM

kelsey-

vancouver isn't that far from me, if i wasn't meeting with -another- rental place i'd go and chat with jack, i really want to plead with him and get these facts straight. he hasn't returned my emails (but i know he has read them) so i fear that this fellow is going to slash, crash and cash out leaving canadians without segways after a ban is enacted.

cheers,
pt

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http://www.bookofseg.com

other stuff:
http://www.flashenabled.com

Heather · 05-31-2003, 06:04 PM

Hello. This is my first time posting. I just wanted to say I was one of the people renting the segways on the day the footage of Andrew falling off was shot. I really enjoyed it and if we had the money we'd probably get one. I hope that rental spots don't get Segways banned. It may be the only way people get to try them out if they can't fork out the $7500 Can. We were at a park. Lots of people were watching us try them. Even though they have been on the news, most people hadn't heard of them. It seems as though renting could really increase people's awareness of Segways. Anyway, just once more for the record. Andrew isn't a punk. He was just following instructions on how to stop aggressively. What's the big deal about falling off anyway? People fall off bikes when they learn to ride them. Then they improve. It's all part of the learning curve.

ftropea · 05-31-2003, 06:08 PM

Hi Heather and welcome to the forum!

I hear 'ya..

For the record, we don't think Andrew is a punk. In fact, we respect his honesty about his intentions to push the Seg's limits. We're not really surprised that he fell - especially not now as we understand what happened.

Rentals have potential to be good.. but so far they've been troublesome. We're just trying to understand what's going wrong and working towards a long term solution.

We're glad to have you here and hope you can keep us updated on the rental situation in your area.

Regards,

Frank A. Tropea

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mellenger · 05-31-2003, 06:39 PM

Frank,

Heather and I and a couple other friends were out in New York in March for a week. It was my first time there and it was a blast! What a great city. We spent most of our time on Manhatten Island jsut being tourists.

So do you use your HT for commuting? I can imagine it would be hard with the sidewalks being so congested most of the time.

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GlideMaster · 05-31-2003, 08:14 PM

pt it sounds like he may have snap the control shaft at the bottom. Every time I see the video I hear this loud snap, plus I notice that the control shaft does bend. What do you think?

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quote:Originally posted by pt

jack can email me and demand that the video get taken down ([email protected]) i look forward to chatting with jack about all of this. it's important for all of us. read on, video link below.

here is what we know so far (or don't know for that matter):
-jack owns or is part of this segway rental place (http://www.fhtsc.com)
-jack doesn't always show a safety video as per a renter (andrew) and training can be as short as 15 minutes according to this site:
http://www.voltage-ev.com/modules.ph...rder=0&thold=0
-according to the contract, jack does show a video but he's not responsible for anything, no matter what, ever:
http://www.fhtsc.com/page8.html
-does jack have insurance?
-a fellow name andrew rented a ht from jack (didn't get to see the safety video). it seems to have cost $20 (usd)
-andrew really enjoyed the ht and used it in good faith, following the instructions of the trainer, jack.
-jack instructed andrew to really push the limits of the ht. andrew really pushed the limits of the ht.
-the ht performed a safety shutdown.
-andrew posted a video of all of this.
-it got posted on the web and linked to.
-people saw it, people here talked about it, a lot.
-jack (from what i'm told) is demanding that andrew take the video down.
-jack doesn't have any legal ground to demand anything about taking a video down.

here is the video:
http://www.bookofseg.com/videos/SegwayCrash.wmv

-i sent an email to jack and invited him here, i hope he replies so we can clear this up or at least find out more.

if things like this continue to happen, there will be bans.

jack cook
future human transport solutions company
1701 fir street
vancouver, bc, v6j 5j9

p: 604-734-9280
f: 604-608-3546
email: [email protected]
http://www.fhtsc.com

cheers,
pt

pt · 05-31-2003, 08:23 PM

Quote:

quote:Originally posted by GlideMaster pt it sounds like he may have snap the control shaft at the bottom. Every time I see the video I hear this loud snap, plus I notice that the control shaft does bend. What do you think?

i don't think he broke it, andrew or heather would have mentioned that. i do think that the bolt may have moved and made that sound or it was gear that "clicked" when it went into safety shutdown.

cheers,
pt

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http://www.bookofseg.com

other stuff:
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Heather · 05-31-2003, 08:37 PM

I don't think it broke. We rode it for another hour or so after he fell. He fell close to the beginning.

05-31-2003, 03:06 AM	#21
pt Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: seattle, wa, USA. Posts: 3,000	some other news on the jack front. i now heard jack is going for the "slash and burn" style for a few months until the local authorities stop him, he then sells the units for most of their value and he makes a cool profit. the cops have chased him away a few times, he puts people in areas where they hts are not allowed, there are complaints and all sorts of bad things. in canada they have socialized health care, so they're a little more worried than private health care countries (usa) since when you get hurt, the nation pays in canada. more later as i learn more, jack still hasn't replied to my email(s). think about this, rental places like jack buy a bunch of hts, rent for high prices, get banned, sell the hts a good price, profit. i used to think segways would have a hard time because of advocacy groups not being educated on what the ht is, they're nothing compare to the real problem i see. greed. the pursuit of money is really going to the thing that will hurt us the most i feel. i hope i'm wrong. cheers, pt ====================== segway ht journal: http://www.bookofseg.com other stuff: http://www.flashenabled.com

05-31-2003, 03:36 AM	#23
PoloAk Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Anchorage, AK, . Posts: 566	Hmm. . .well, i'll be in B.C. in a few weeks. Maybe he'll end up duct taped to a telephone pole (jk)! Kelsey

05-31-2003, 03:43 AM	#24
pt Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: seattle, wa, USA. Posts: 3,000	kelsey- vancouver isn't that far from me, if i wasn't meeting with -another- rental place i'd go and chat with jack, i really want to plead with him and get these facts straight. he hasn't returned my emails (but i know he has read them) so i fear that this fellow is going to slash, crash and cash out leaving canadians without segways after a ban is enacted. cheers, pt ====================== segway ht journal: http://www.bookofseg.com other stuff: http://www.flashenabled.com

05-31-2003, 06:04 PM	#25
Heather New Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: , , . Posts: 3	Hello. This is my first time posting. I just wanted to say I was one of the people renting the segways on the day the footage of Andrew falling off was shot. I really enjoyed it and if we had the money we'd probably get one. I hope that rental spots don't get Segways banned. It may be the only way people get to try them out if they can't fork out the $7500 Can. We were at a park. Lots of people were watching us try them. Even though they have been on the news, most people hadn't heard of them. It seems as though renting could really increase people's awareness of Segways. Anyway, just once more for the record. Andrew isn't a punk. He was just following instructions on how to stop aggressively. What's the big deal about falling off anyway? People fall off bikes when they learn to ride them. Then they improve. It's all part of the learning curve.

05-31-2003, 06:08 PM	#26
ftropea Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NY, USA. Posts: 1,778	Hi Heather and welcome to the forum! I hear 'ya.. For the record, we don't think Andrew is a punk. In fact, we respect his honesty about his intentions to push the Seg's limits. We're not really surprised that he fell - especially not now as we understand what happened. Rentals have potential to be good.. but so far they've been troublesome. We're just trying to understand what's going wrong and working towards a long term solution. We're glad to have you here and hope you can keep us updated on the rental situation in your area. Regards, Frank A. Tropea Admin - "Keep your wheels on the ground!" - Contact Me

05-31-2003, 06:39 PM	#27
mellenger New Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Surrey, BC, Canada. Posts: 9	Frank, Heather and I and a couple other friends were out in New York in March for a week. It was my first time there and it was a blast! What a great city. We spent most of our time on Manhatten Island jsut being tourists. So do you use your HT for commuting? I can imagine it would be hard with the sidewalks being so congested most of the time. ======== http://m3mm.com

05-31-2003, 08:37 PM	#30
Heather New Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: , , . Posts: 3	I don't think it broke. We rode it for another hour or so after he fell. He fell close to the beginning.

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