jack this, video posted

pt · 05-30-2003, 04:32 PM

jack can email me and demand that the video get taken down ([email protected]) i look forward to chatting with jack about all of this. it's important for all of us. read on, video link below.

here is what we know so far (or don't know for that matter):
-jack owns or is part of this segway rental place (http://www.fhtsc.com)
-jack doesn't always show a safety video as per a renter (andrew) and training can be as short as 15 minutes according to this site:
http://www.voltage-ev.com/modules.ph...rder=0&thold=0
-according to the contract, jack does show a video but he's not responsible for anything, no matter what, ever:
http://www.fhtsc.com/page8.html
-does jack have insurance?
-a fellow name andrew rented a ht from jack (didn't get to see the safety video). it seems to have cost $20 (usd)
-andrew really enjoyed the ht and used it in good faith, following the instructions of the trainer, jack.
-jack instructed andrew to really push the limits of the ht. andrew really pushed the limits of the ht.
-the ht performed a safety shutdown.
-andrew posted a video of all of this.
-it got posted on the web and linked to.
-people saw it, people here talked about it, a lot.
-jack (from what i'm told) is demanding that andrew take the video down.
-jack doesn't have any legal ground to demand anything about taking a video down.

here is the video:
http://www.bookofseg.com/videos/SegwayCrash.wmv

-i sent an email to jack and invited him here, i hope he replies so we can clear this up or at least find out more.

if things like this continue to happen, there will be bans.

jack cook
future human transport solutions company
1701 fir street
vancouver, bc, v6j 5j9

p: 604-734-9280
f: 604-608-3546
email: [email protected]
http://www.fhtsc.com

cheers,
pt

pt · 05-30-2003, 04:47 PM

i've asked andrew to check this out to make sure it's accurate.

no word from jack yet.

cheers,
pt

======================

segway ht journal:
http://www.bookofseg.com

other stuff:
http://www.flashenabled.com

pt · 05-30-2003, 05:02 PM

below is the listing as per segcenter (http://www.segcenter.com)

gyro, will you continue to list jack's place after it's clear that safety video isn't always shown and training can be a short as 15 minutes? do you feel the same about rentals now? there have been 2 "issues" in one week, all centered around rentals.

================================================== ===
Vancouver, BC, Canada
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rental

The Future Human Transport Solutions Company
Jack Cook
www.FHTSC.com
1701 Fir Street
Vancouver, BC V6J5J9 Canada
604.734.9280 ph
604.608.3546 fax
[email protected]
16) i167 units

$9.95 (Canadian dollars) is the fee for training. Then if the client wishes to take the Segway out onto the road/sidewalk, it is $19.95 per hour. We actually charge by the minute, $0.33. This allows the user to work on their own time frame. There are no minimum number of hours. We are located near a number of very attractive areas for cruising.
================================================== ===

======================

segway ht journal:
http://www.bookofseg.com

other stuff:
http://www.flashenabled.com

BAEHRTIME · 05-30-2003, 05:17 PM

PT, when I try to play the video, Windows Media Player says "Unable to download an appropriate decompressor". Any solution? I have I.E. ver. 6, Security is Minimum, ?? Anybody else having problems - or have solution? Seems I can get audio but not video? I read the entire thread ... interesting to me ... but frustrating that I can't see the damn video??!! Thanks, Micky

dhugger · 05-30-2003, 05:17 PM

Nice job PT! As said in "Antitrust," information belongs to the world.

-Derek Hugger-

GlideMaster · 05-30-2003, 05:30 PM

<center>Per The Book Of Seg</center>Basic Rider Optimization Training for the Segway HT Participant Workbook (copyright) Segway LLC 2002

"Torque and Traction"
"If the Segway HT encounters a condition in which it can no longer perform in an acceptable manner, it will disable power and shut off. This is the case if forward, aft, or lateral pitch parameters are exceeded".

<center>The GlideMaster</center>
<center>

</center>
<center>If You’re Not Graceful In Your Glide, You Must Just Be Out For A Ride. </center>
<center>Responsible Riders Ride Segway and Segway Riders Ride Responsibly</center>
<center>Glide On</center>

pt · 05-30-2003, 05:30 PM

mickey-

it could be a windows media 9 movie, it seems to play fine for everyone so i'm not sure. i didn't compress it, it's what andrew encoded it as.

cheers,
pt

======================

segway ht journal:
http://www.bookofseg.com

other stuff:
http://www.flashenabled.com

dhugger · 05-30-2003, 05:36 PM

micky, I've also posted a portion (the crash portion) of the video in divx format. you can get it here:

http://pubpages.unh.edu/~dhugger/Movies/

-Derek Hugger-

RWC · 05-30-2003, 05:49 PM

How can this file be viewed on a mac? Any mac-ies out who can help?

Any way to force Quicktime to see it? I DO have the mac version of Windows Media Player but it shows not picture, only sound.

I HAVE tried to use my old, slow Windows 2000 box and it too only plays audio - no video - via Media Player.

Suggestions?

Take care, R.

"The best way to control your cow or sheep is to give them a large spacious meadow" - Suzuki Roshi

dhugger · 05-30-2003, 05:56 PM

RWC, see my post about the vid in divx format.

-Derek Hugger-

05-30-2003, 04:32 PM	#1
pt Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: seattle, wa, USA. Posts: 3,000	jack this, video posted jack can email me and demand that the video get taken down ([email protected]) i look forward to chatting with jack about all of this. it's important for all of us. read on, video link below. here is what we know so far (or don't know for that matter): -jack owns or is part of this segway rental place (http://www.fhtsc.com) -jack doesn't always show a safety video as per a renter (andrew) and training can be as short as 15 minutes according to this site: http://www.voltage-ev.com/modules.ph...rder=0&thold=0 -according to the contract, jack does show a video but he's not responsible for anything, no matter what, ever: http://www.fhtsc.com/page8.html -does jack have insurance? -a fellow name andrew rented a ht from jack (didn't get to see the safety video). it seems to have cost $20 (usd) -andrew really enjoyed the ht and used it in good faith, following the instructions of the trainer, jack. -jack instructed andrew to really push the limits of the ht. andrew really pushed the limits of the ht. -the ht performed a safety shutdown. -andrew posted a video of all of this. -it got posted on the web and linked to. -people saw it, people here talked about it, a lot. -jack (from what i'm told) is demanding that andrew take the video down. -jack doesn't have any legal ground to demand anything about taking a video down. here is the video: http://www.bookofseg.com/videos/SegwayCrash.wmv -i sent an email to jack and invited him here, i hope he replies so we can clear this up or at least find out more. if things like this continue to happen, there will be bans. jack cook future human transport solutions company 1701 fir street vancouver, bc, v6j 5j9 p: 604-734-9280 f: 604-608-3546 email: [email protected] http://www.fhtsc.com cheers, pt

05-30-2003, 05:30 PM	#6
GlideMaster Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: St. George Ut. and Chicago, Illinois, Posts: 1,776	<center>Per The Book Of Seg</center>Basic Rider Optimization Training for the Segway HT Participant Workbook (copyright) Segway LLC 2002 "Torque and Traction" "If the Segway HT encounters a condition in which it can no longer perform in an acceptable manner, it will disable power and shut off. This is the case if forward, aft, or lateral pitch parameters are exceeded". <center>The GlideMaster</center> <center></center> <center>If You’re Not Graceful In Your Glide, You Must Just Be Out For A Ride. </center> <center>Responsible Riders Ride Segway and Segway Riders Ride Responsibly</center> <center>Glide On</center>

05-30-2003, 04:47 PM	#2
pt Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: seattle, wa, USA. Posts: 3,000	i've asked andrew to check this out to make sure it's accurate. no word from jack yet. cheers, pt ====================== segway ht journal: http://www.bookofseg.com other stuff: http://www.flashenabled.com

05-30-2003, 05:02 PM	#3
pt Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: seattle, wa, USA. Posts: 3,000	below is the listing as per segcenter (http://www.segcenter.com) gyro, will you continue to list jack's place after it's clear that safety video isn't always shown and training can be a short as 15 minutes? do you feel the same about rentals now? there have been 2 "issues" in one week, all centered around rentals. ================================================== === Vancouver, BC, Canada -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rental The Future Human Transport Solutions Company Jack Cook www.FHTSC.com 1701 Fir Street Vancouver, BC V6J5J9 Canada 604.734.9280 ph 604.608.3546 fax [email protected] 16) i167 units $9.95 (Canadian dollars) is the fee for training. Then if the client wishes to take the Segway out onto the road/sidewalk, it is $19.95 per hour. We actually charge by the minute, $0.33. This allows the user to work on their own time frame. There are no minimum number of hours. We are located near a number of very attractive areas for cruising. ================================================== === ====================== segway ht journal: http://www.bookofseg.com other stuff: http://www.flashenabled.com

05-30-2003, 05:17 PM	#4
BAEHRTIME Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: , PA, USA. Posts: 61	PT, when I try to play the video, Windows Media Player says "Unable to download an appropriate decompressor". Any solution? I have I.E. ver. 6, Security is Minimum, ?? Anybody else having problems - or have solution? Seems I can get audio but not video? I read the entire thread ... interesting to me ... but frustrating that I can't see the damn video??!! Thanks, Micky

05-30-2003, 05:17 PM	#5
dhugger Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Goffstown, NH, USA. Posts: 875	Nice job PT! As said in "Antitrust," information belongs to the world. -Derek Hugger-

05-30-2003, 05:36 PM	#8
dhugger Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Goffstown, NH, USA. Posts: 875	micky, I've also posted a portion (the crash portion) of the video in divx format. you can get it here: http://pubpages.unh.edu/~dhugger/Movies/ -Derek Hugger-

05-30-2003, 05:49 PM	#9
RWC Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Cardiff by the Sea (San Diego), California, USA. Posts: 165	How can this file be viewed on a mac? Any mac-ies out who can help? Any way to force Quicktime to see it? I DO have the mac version of Windows Media Player but it shows not picture, only sound. I HAVE tried to use my old, slow Windows 2000 box and it too only plays audio - no video - via Media Player. Suggestions? Take care, R. "The best way to control your cow or sheep is to give them a large spacious meadow" - Suzuki Roshi

05-30-2003, 05:56 PM	#10
dhugger Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Goffstown, NH, USA. Posts: 875	RWC, see my post about the vid in divx format. -Derek Hugger-

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