Segway brakelight

nickyboy · 11-07-2008, 08:50 AM

Found this on You Tube. Looks neat, I especially like the full width LED version.

Bob.Kerns · 11-07-2008, 10:55 AM

Way cool!

I'd like to see a backup light, too. Both as a warning for anyone following too close, and for illumination purposes. That would be seriously harder to do.

Bill Seright · 11-07-2008, 11:00 AM

Is there a link anywhere to who manufactures or sells these?

William Seright

jgbackes · 11-07-2008, 12:39 PM

Me too, me too! I need, I want, I'll Buy!

Bob.Kerns · 11-07-2008, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jgbackes

Me too, me too! I need, I want, I'll Buy!

Why? (Asked in a tone of curiosity, not dispute).

The reason most obvious to me, would be so pedestrians following too close don't run into you if you stop suddenly. But it's so low, I doubt anyone close enough for that to be a concern would see it.

Maybe cars? Because we can stop faster than they can?

But I'm speculating; I'd like to hear your reasons.

It looks cool. I'm not generally inclined to buy on grounds of appearance, but it's tempting me...

jgbackes · 11-07-2008, 02:11 PM

On group glides it would be nice to not have to use hand signals... But mainly because it looks cool

KSagal · 11-07-2008, 03:15 PM

I believe there may be a factor of the unintended consequence...

I do not know how this device is made, I would guess that if I wanted to make one, I might use a mercury switch or other balance sensitive switch to turn on the light...

Since there are no brakes to speak of on a segway, as a device that is engaged to slow the device down, there can be no brake light.

Much of segway right of way legislation deals with the fact that segways are not vehicles. Segways with their gliders are not vehicles with drivers, but rather pedestrians with enhancement.

If we start adding brake lights, then we start to go into a zone that is reserved for vehicles. If we act too much like vehicles, we may soon find ourselves treated like vehicles. This is very different from the space we occupy now, which is between vehicle and walking...

The unintended consequence may very well be that we now have to use these lights, and act like everyone else that has brake lights...

jkzulu · 11-08-2008, 07:28 AM

Hi Karl,

you are absolutely right in your focuse not to stress the attention on SEGWAY beeing a vehicle. Unfortunately we in Germany, and its a German product you where talking about, have a good portion of rules. That comes from nice save insurance network, so any phooops will be sanctioned and somebody is paying.

Therfore in Hesse state, we received the legal certificate to use the road 1 month ago. But .... in Hesse state SEGWAY is a "VEHICLE".

Means:
Memeber under the law of wehicle saftey equipment, means ..

- white light to the front plus reflector white
- red light to the back plus reflector red
- yello reflectors on the moving wheel disk part to right and left
- serial number to read on the front/right without tolls accessable
- serial ID label about producer, model, number
- insurance plate on the back/left
- Wheels to be certified for stability
- tires with European Stamp and minimum profile 1mm and
no closed non-profiled circlepath

Actual no brakelight obligation, as for 20 km/h speed not required.
(As mini-motocycle)

So we are using our own designed wheels. 5mm chrome-plated steel
made disk with rim from VESPA and scooter tires to be repaired and
changed from everybody. Available profile from slick to off-road,
so our lates I2 has wheel performance near to the X2.

Anyhow thats a short shot from Germany, Hesse, where my friends made
that mentioned backlight. Website is in the video.

We will surprise you with more nice options in short time.

English speaking questions better with me as the producer in not so tough in
english.

I am distribuor for south of Frankfurt area, they are north of Frankfurt and
we collaborate in terms of optionals.

regards to all
Jens (jkzulu)

KSagal · 11-08-2008, 03:13 PM

Jens,

Thank you for your comments.

I wish you luck with your future plans.

I look forward to seeing other nice items that you produce...

I think that others will be curious to see what you have, and if you could make it for them...

Glide happy, keep smiling...

Bob.Kerns · 11-08-2008, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkzulu

no closed non-profiled circlepath

Jens, thanks for the info. I wish I were as fluent in either of my two foreign languages as you in English!

But I didn't quite understand the phrase above. I don't think it's so much a language barrier as not having enough context to understand the intent.

Are they saying the wheels have to have open spokes? The closed nature of the i2 wheels makes them safer! But it wouldn't be the first time safety rules ignored safety...

11-07-2008, 08:50 AM	#1
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11-07-2008, 03:15 PM	#7
KSagal Glides a lot, talks more... Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Pelham, NH, USA. Posts: 10,356	I believe there may be a factor of the unintended consequence... I do not know how this device is made, I would guess that if I wanted to make one, I might use a mercury switch or other balance sensitive switch to turn on the light... Since there are no brakes to speak of on a segway, as a device that is engaged to slow the device down, there can be no brake light. Much of segway right of way legislation deals with the fact that segways are not vehicles. Segways with their gliders are not vehicles with drivers, but rather pedestrians with enhancement. If we start adding brake lights, then we start to go into a zone that is reserved for vehicles. If we act too much like vehicles, we may soon find ourselves treated like vehicles. This is very different from the space we occupy now, which is between vehicle and walking... The unintended consequence may very well be that we now have to use these lights, and act like everyone else that has brake lights... __________________ Karl Ian Sagal To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. "Well done is better than well said." (Ben Franklin) Bene factum melior bene dictum Proud past President of SEG America and member of the First Premier Segway Enthusiasts Group and subsequent ones as well.

11-08-2008, 07:28 AM	#8
jkzulu New Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Germany - Darmstadt Posts: 8	Are SEGWAY vehicles? Very serious question! Hi Karl, you are absolutely right in your focuse not to stress the attention on SEGWAY beeing a vehicle. Unfortunately we in Germany, and its a German product you where talking about, have a good portion of rules. That comes from nice save insurance network, so any phooops will be sanctioned and somebody is paying. Therfore in Hesse state, we received the legal certificate to use the road 1 month ago. But .... in Hesse state SEGWAY is a "VEHICLE". Means: Memeber under the law of wehicle saftey equipment, means .. - white light to the front plus reflector white - red light to the back plus reflector red - yello reflectors on the moving wheel disk part to right and left - serial number to read on the front/right without tolls accessable - serial ID label about producer, model, number - insurance plate on the back/left - Wheels to be certified for stability - tires with European Stamp and minimum profile 1mm and no closed non-profiled circlepath Actual no brakelight obligation, as for 20 km/h speed not required. (As mini-motocycle) So we are using our own designed wheels. 5mm chrome-plated steel made disk with rim from VESPA and scooter tires to be repaired and changed from everybody. Available profile from slick to off-road, so our lates I2 has wheel performance near to the X2. Anyhow thats a short shot from Germany, Hesse, where my friends made that mentioned backlight. Website is in the video. We will surprise you with more nice options in short time. English speaking questions better with me as the producer in not so tough in english. I am distribuor for south of Frankfurt area, they are north of Frankfurt and we collaborate in terms of optionals. regards to all Jens (jkzulu)

11-07-2008, 10:55 AM	#2
Bob.Kerns Advanced Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Marin County, CA Posts: 3,783	Way cool! I'd like to see a backup light, too. Both as a warning for anyone following too close, and for illumination purposes. That would be seriously harder to do.

11-07-2008, 11:00 AM	#3
Bill Seright Account Suspended Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Lawrenceville, Georgia Posts: 114	Is there a link anywhere to who manufactures or sells these? William Seright

11-08-2008, 03:13 PM	#9
KSagal Glides a lot, talks more... Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Pelham, NH, USA. Posts: 10,356	Jens, Thank you for your comments. I wish you luck with your future plans. I look forward to seeing other nice items that you produce... I think that others will be curious to see what you have, and if you could make it for them... Glide happy, keep smiling... __________________ Karl Ian Sagal To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. "Well done is better than well said." (Ben Franklin) Bene factum melior bene dictum Proud past President of SEG America and member of the First Premier Segway Enthusiasts Group and subsequent ones as well.

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