Obsessision: Radical Islam's War against the West

[ZoliHonig]

I poseted this over in the other thread but I felt that this was such an important movie to watch I really wanted to get it out:

I just watched this video.... All I can say is wow. extremely well made and really opens up you eyes in this situation and the entire global jihad:

nestreporting

It's long, I know, but worth every second to watch it...

[GyroGo]

EVERYONE SHOULD WATCH


"The only thing necessary for
for the triumph of evil...
...is for good men to do nothing."

Edmund Burke (1729-1797)
Irish philosopher, statesman

[roro]

Originally Posted by GyroGo

EVERYONE SHOULD WATCH

...and a Michael Moore Video, too.
To remain impartial.

Rob

[ZoliHonig]

Michael moore gets a segment in this video...

[Desert_Seg]

Zoli, good post. Had seen the majority of it before but watched it again. Now, please don't take my response below as an attack of any sort. This is only meant to point out BOTH sides from somebody who has lived it for 20 years (by lived it I mean studied, taught, and lived in the region).

I would also like to point out that I am not a Zionist nor am I an Islamist. I believe my self to be an Arabist....one who has studied the region's history, culture, and religions, from the view point of the Middle East Arab and focused on the Levant and GCC (that is from Egypt to Oman and most things in between, including Israel).

Now, my comments....

Much of what is presented is true, at least from my point of view. Yet any movie that spends 1 hour and 17 minutes banging home a point about Radical Islam is trying to polarize the viewer.

That being said I don't disagree with the premise of the movie and it dovetails nicely with some very same topics I taught, wrote about, or have discussed in the past three (3) years.

There IS a huge problem out there that is being ignored. It is being ignored by the western world because it happens in mostly poor countries where a charismatic leader can often easily influence the disenfranchised (sound like anybody from the late 30's?). It is being ignored by the western world because it happens "over there". Yet we need to be aware that it is happening...not only "over there" but also within our own borders.

Even worse it had been ignored (much less so now) by the regional world (that is, the Middle East) until recently. Ignored because it focused the attention of the disenfranchised upon the western world. However, the same problems the western world is facing (the bombings, etc) have struck home and the regional governments have realized that there is a GLOBAL problem that also affects them, a problem that was virtually home grown (after all Wahabism is a root of many of the Jihadists) and has now come back home to haunt them.

In past discourse (not here, but elsewhere) I have likened the Islamist Movment to the Crusades of 600 years ago, a time when Christians tried to take over the earth and convert everybody to the one true church. If we fail to study history, we are doomed to repeat it, this time with 200 million Islamic extremists (yes, that is a conservative number of about how many extreme Muslims (aka Jihadists) are out there) trying to succeed where others failed.

HOWEVER....all that being said....

I can also say, in the same last three (3) years, I have seen very similar productions from Islamic sources against Zionism and have also listened to some true radical Zionists condemn every Muslim in the world, not just the Jihadists. So, although there is a lot of shots of Muslims being worked up into a frenzy, many Muslims yelling anti-US and anti-Israel slogans, it isn't the only side of the story. There have been terrorist Zionist organizations, even in the US, even on the US watch list.

Of course, I'm not equating the size of one group to the size of the other, just pointing out that there are two sides to every coin. BTW, from my point of view the mental pattern of true zeaolot Zionists is extremely similar to Jihadists...it is a thought pattern of fanaticism and extremism, and the like. Neither is right, neither is the path to follow.

So, to wrap it up. There is a huge problem out there....a HUGE problem. It is much larger than though and it does live and breath within the borders of EVERY country. That being said, the MAJORITY of Muslims are peace loving, Islam is a peaceful religion, (after all Islam comes from the root word Salam, which means peace). So, while this might polarize you into trying to understand the situation even more, please don't let it polarize you into believing the dramatic representations in their entirety.

Yes, Radical Islam is a problem, yes Radical Islam needs to be controlled BUT, the same can be said of Radical Zionism. I'd also like to point out that the anti-Semitism that we see in the Radical Islam movement is nothing unique, heck, we see it in the US militia and white supremacists, we see it in the European skinhead movement, we see it in many places...and those are threats we do NOT want to ignore either.

I also don't think this is going to get better any time soon, not at all. But the Muslims who live in peace, side by side with Jews, Copt Christians, Catholics, Hindus, Taoists, you name it, are the majority but, if you believe much of popular press they are in the minority.

So, while there is a problem DISCOURSE is the way to solve it, although that is much easier said than done.

Again, good presentation but it is meant to polarize and you probably need to be worried when its tagline is "zionist propaganda" so please do more research than just this piece.

Finally, I'd like to add something...Michael Moore is an idiot. What brain cell did he use to say there isn't a terrorist threat? I can't say it enough, Micheal Moore is an idiot!

Steven

[GyroGo]

One thing I wonder about is how the 10%-15% number was calculated. How do these stats break down? Is Jihad more of a Sunni or Shite dogma? What about geographically, for example, what are the different percentages in the GCC states, in Egypt, in Afghanistan, in Jordan, in Sudan, in Syrian, in Iran... the rest of the Muslim world? THAT's one I'd like to see in the CIA fact book, maybe it's in the classified version.

[slowride]

Originally Posted by Desert_Seg

I would also like to point out that I am not a Zionist nor am I an Islamist. I believe my self to be an Arabist....
Steven

Is "Arabist" a religion? Just wondering. I call myself a spiritualist. Mostly because if I call myself an Athiest I find people of all religions are suddenly against me. All the feuding amongst religions stops when an Athiest enters the room. I just watched a show last week where an Athiest couple said they have had their house firebombed and their car tires slashed since they came out in public and stated their beliefs. Obviously, by some real God loving people.

A society ruled by God's law is doomed because no one knows what that is, although many claim to. How many wars would have been avoided if everyone was an Athiest. No, I think the belief in God has outlived it's usefullness. Now we have prisons that threaten punishment if one misbehaves. There was a time when the "fear of God" was all that held men in check.

The idea that some of the middle east wants governments based on "God's law" is obsurd and doomed to fail. The idea that the Holy Bible or the Koran is the "word of God" is obsurd. Who said so? God? Please. Get rid of God and the wars will only be about borders (and oil). We all have more in common than we think if we remove God from the equation.

I believe most people are like me; getting up each morning, caring for my kids, putting food on the table, and just trying to get through another day. Hoping for good times with loved ones can be squeezed in between the madness. Having to dodge bullets or worry about getting blown up on a bus should not be a way of life for anyone.

I know the believers will get on me for this post. It was hard for me to come to my philosophy. It was hard for me to realize that there is no Santa Claus, and it took awhile for me to come to grips the fact that man has created God in his own images, as many images as the diversity of man himself.

Besides, any belief system that thinks man should be the authority over woman is not only dumb it's just plain wrong.

My 2 cents.