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My _personal opinion_ is that you should report them and do it immediately. It is their responsibility to know what the law is. Obviously they will have their own lawyers make their interpretation of the law and act according to that opinion. They _might_ go overboard to bring themselves into compliance--and they might not. If you and they can work this out to a satisfactory solution, then great and that solves that. If not, then you will have a head start on the slow-moving official solution. My opinion, based on my experience.... <G> Lily
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http://www.ada.gov/t3compfm.htm I'm not sure just what department would review this, but if it is not the DOI, they are obligated to refer it. And Jack Andre, in my experience, would be the quickest place to start the process. The DOJ has no way of knowing just how often and in what venues things like this are happening unless formal complaints are filed. If you can resolve it in the mean time, great. If not, then you have at least a head start on the slow-moving formal process. I would guess that word of a formal complaint of this kind and its potential consequences would soon circulate around Las Vegas and you may actually accomplish more than you set out to do. And don't forget that mall and your problems there. I'm assuming the hotel itself was Ok with your Segway use? And then there is always the possiiblity of publicizing a successful result... Apologies for some duplication here. the first message just was not appearing when I came back... Lily
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DOI Has No Jurisdiction in this matter
Sorry to interfere as I don't post here anymore but I do read every single post every day.
The civil rights division of the Department of Interior was helpful to Lily because it dealt with an issue (access to parks, conservation areas, etc.) which are under their jurisdiction and purview. The issue with regard to access with a place of public accommodation (which is what we are referring to in this regard) is an issue which would be dealt with by the Department of Justice. Issues with regard to public transportation are handled by the United States Department of Transportation. |
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Thanks, that is not interference. <G> This is what I suspected might be the case. However any of these is obligated to forward it on to the DOJ or, possilbly, I think maybe to the proper agency. Any more wisdom to share??? please?? <G> This kind of stuff is not my native territory (I'm a teacher, creative artist and designer) and my ignorance gets me into all kinds of things that are over my head! <G> Lily
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11-18-2010, 01:33 AM | #15 |
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Are you using a Gen 1 or Gen II .
I ask as I have flown hundreds of segments on SW without any issues. That's with a Gen I with nickel batteries. I check it at the gate. Litium ions are grounded. Please read this link: http://www.draft.org/LinkClick.aspx?...bid=75&mid=494 Be Big, AMAC
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Mine is a i2, What models had the nickel metal batteries? I67, I80? This is great news! I will try to find a deal on a gen 1 for travel, this opens up a lot of possibilities for me! |
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All Gen 1 machines can use NiMH batteries, and if with current software, they can also use the LiIons. Only gen 2 cannot use NiMH.
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Sorry to have skipped of this question, I got off topic. I do not have a handicapped symbol or anything displayed. I do wear braces on both my legs, so the second day in vegas I opted to wear shorts to try to get hassled less, and it didn't help. I will be the first one to argue the fact that it should not be required, and if it is then it should also be required for all types of mobility scooters. I guess I don't understand why the segways are so discriminated against? |
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PART 3 of my vegas story.
So we finally make it to the convention center, SEMA is a massive event and not only uses every single hall in the convention center, but also spills outside into the surrounding parking areas and several of the streets. We hit a lot of the outside booths on are way into the main hall where we needed to get registered, once inside the correct hall we finally found registration. I parked my segway up against a big concrete column and went through the line to get my pass, and when I made it back to the segway there was a show "manager" waiting to greet me. Please keep in mind I walk with a very obvious limp, so I approach the segway and this person informs me that segways are not allowed inside in of the convention centers (we are talking literally millions of sq/ft), so of course I started to argue my point of being there with the segway and the fact I had called 6 months earlier and told it wouldn't be a problem, I was referred to the show management office. So I arrive at the show managers office and was greeted with a very angry little old lady that was adamant that I didn't need the segway, and that I could rent a sit-down scooter for $80 a day if I had a problem walking. I then informed her that sitting for long periods of time was the exact problem that led me to a segway as a mobility device. She just kept telling me that segways are "EXTREMELY DANGEROUS" and they had "several accidents and serious injuries in the past from them". Eventually after showing her my disable id and telling her I call months in advance to make sure everything was ok, she gave me a special pass to use the segway. These are the exact situations that will be much easier with the new ada regulations, and I would of never known about those regulations without this great site! |
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