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Old 08-05-2006, 06:13 PM   #21
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Question Ok, let's try this...

Steven, are you a neo-con?

Your explanation of the term is just plain silly IMHO and frankly, Clintonion. Lol.

Ok, let's try this...
Are you in line with the world vision of what many of the so-called neo-con think tanks profess?

I know you know what I mean.
Let's not get squirmy.

Yes or no?
Simple question.
And I DO care what YOU think and find you articulate and wise even when I strongly disagree with you.
I think that's our core difference right there.
RC Mike? I respect him because he is as crude as I am sometimes.
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Old 08-05-2006, 06:55 PM   #22
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I know you know what I mean.
Let's not get squirmy.
Ok, which do you mean?

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The term was prominently used circa 1970 by socialist author and activist Michael Harrington in a manner similar to MacDonald's meaning, that is, to characterize former leftists who had moved significantly to the right – people he derided as "socialists for Nixon."
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As of 2005, the most prominent supporters of the neoconservative stance inside the Administration are Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.
So, to be a neo-con is to be left leaning social and hawkish on defense. But the three most prominent neocons are lifelong heartless ultraconservatives who happen to be hawkish on defense.

Pray tell, what in the hell do you mean Josh?

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I do so at my own peril but here goes....

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...How about fair and open elections again?
The elections were fair and open. The popular vote has limited say in who gets elected....the Electoral College does it all. Unfortunately, the LOSER chose to take it to the Supreme Court, rather than standing up and taking it like a man (or woman) should. With pride and dignity.

BTW, I remember when both sides said they would abide by the results of the recount...and then poof! off to the Supreme Court it went.

Oh, and if you think I'm bashing Gore because he is a Dem...not to worry, I got lots of pictures of us together hanging on my "I love me" wall. Long story, but it was a fun time!

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How about freedom of speech and the press again? I'd be cool with that as a start. I believe the people get the government they deserve... unless the elections are hijacked.
Huh? we have FoS, and we have FoP, and the elections were fair.

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I have no problem with this if there are fair and honest elections, like in Canada for example.
Again, I don't know why you think the elections weren't fair or honest

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If you don't care. Don't waste my time and yours.
You have a point, and I do care or I wouldn't have asked.

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But I would like to see a third party candidate, maybe a moderate from each party running together to help heal our country.
Not sure though we would agree on who the moderates are.
WOW! We agree on something. I am very much an outsider type of voter (Anybody remember John Anderson?) I also believe we need to have moderates who are outside their party's mainstream. What we need are "anti-yes" men (or women) to run this country.

Who would you pick?

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But I would like to see a third party candidate, maybe a moderate from each party running together to help heal our country.
Not sure though we would agree on who the moderates are.

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Just curious Josh, who would you have supported, Lamont or Lieberman? I think I know, but I don't want to assume.

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I know you know what I mean.
Let's not get squirmy.

Yes or no?
Simple question.
Where did you go Josh? Don't want to answer Lamont v Lieberman?

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I'm not Democrat or Republican but I watched Bushs press conference last nite and the guy comes across as a real fool.

It's embarrassing.
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Old 08-23-2006, 04:06 PM   #27
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Thumbs up I’m back - feel the love

I’m back,

Just need a break. Sometimes I get too wrapped up in all this.
But I still find it fun and informative. It’s feels like we are all starting to
communicate without attacking each other’s patriotism, etc.

"Where did you go Josh? Don't want to answer Lamont v Lieberman?"

Lieberman would make a fine Republican, IMHO. You guys can have him. Lol.
Spineless suck up to Bush and too one-sided for Israel, IMO.
And I’m a Jew.

"WOW! We agree on something. I am very much an outsider type of voter (Anybody remember John Anderson?) I also believe we need to have moderates who are outside their party's mainstream. What we need are "anti-yes" men (or women) to run this country."

Amen brother! See that? There is a middle ground. Although the neo-cons had their way for a long while now, I would like to see a true liberal like Dennis Kucinich get a shot at the helm.

I can’t believe Mike can’t figure out what a neo-con is. Can someone fill him in for me please?

I'd support Colin Powel/Wesley Clark ticket. Although I feel Colin let us all down at the UN, I think he learned that lesson the hard way.

Also, McCain/Clinton - Although reluctantly because of their sucking up to Bush and his illegal war.

How about William Cohen and someone moderate?
He was Sec. of Defense under Clinton and a Republican.

I even was intrigued by Perot

Anderson was before my time although I do remember him and was very interested in the independent candidate concept.

As for the state of our democracy, elections, fop, etc. we will just have to agree to disagree.
But compared to the UAE, I can see why you would believe that.

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Old 08-23-2006, 04:09 PM   #28
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Talking Once again for Steven...

Steven, are you a neo-con?

Your explanation of the term is just plain silly IMHO and frankly, Clintonion. Lol.

Ok, let's try this...
Are you in line with the world vision of what many of the so-called neo-con think tanks profess?

I know you know what I mean.
Let's not get squirmy.

I'm a proud liberal, as you know, but open to a bi-partisan ticket. I want transparent government.
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Steven, are you a neo-con?

Your explanation of the term is just plain silly IMHO and frankly, Clintonion. Lol.

Ok, let's try this...
Are you in line with the world vision of what many of the so-called neo-con think tanks profess?

I know you know what I mean.
Let's not get squirmy.

I'm a proud liberal, as you know, but open to a bi-partisan ticket. I want transparent government.
I'm not a neo-Con and don't believe there is really such a thing, rather neo-Con is a term that was coined to denigrate those who they (whomever they may be) don't agree with.

I'm have been called a conservative liberal and a liberal conservative but I tend to avoid labels. I rarely follow party lines (that's a recipe for failure) and vote my beliefs. I'm all about eliminating Pork (Sen Byrd can pack his bags), balancing the budget, flat tax, bringing back the draft (this one will get some response, I'm sure), and yes, even eliminating Affirmative Action (more response).

I believe that Social Security needs to be regulated (it isn't and was NEVER a retirement plan), I believe we need to put more emphasis on individual responsibility and less on government assistance.

I believe that even though we need to flex our muscles every now and then we also need to fix our problems at home. However, if our Commander in Chief makes a determination that we need to enter into a conflict somewhere, I will support his decision to the hilt, even if it is a decision with which I may personally disagree.

I like a McCain / Bradley ticket, although just don't see it. A McCain / Powell ticket would also be interesting.

Kucinich? I shudder at the thought.

McCain / Clinton? Which Clinton are you talking about?

I believe we are fragmented as a nation because we no longer wish to talk and only wish to force our opinions on others. I believe what I believe but will always respect (strange as it may be :-) ) what you believe.

In short, I do wish we could all just get along, but know better. Because I know better I'm so glad WE are the big guns and not them (whomever them may be).

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Thumbs up I think I'm more the Colin Powel type and you are more McCainish. Lol.

Interesting.
We're not worlds apart.

"Balancing the budget" - who is against that? Oooops, our president. I'm with ya' on this though.

"Flat tax" - I think many folks would get screwed but open to discussion. If we all made the same money, fine. Ooops, that's communism. My bad.

"Bringing back the draft" - See ya' in Vancouver. Lol.

"Eliminating Affirmative Action" - Here we disagree. I hope I live to see the day when this happens and every American family is strong and has access to good schools, hospitals, etc.

"I believe that Social Security needs to be regulated" - I believe it needs to be protected. Too many older folks would be homeless without it. Sad truth. Why can't some of our tax dollars go toward a retirement plan of some sort if we choose? Call it what you will. Unfortunately there are many folks who didn't get access to a good education or have poor money skills, mental problems or live on minimum wage for much of their lives or worse.

"I believe we need to put more emphasis on individual responsibility" - Agreed. Government assistance should be the last option when things get tragic for American families or individuals.

"I will support his decision to the hilt, even if it is a decision with which I may personally disagree." (War) - Oy vey. Sobering up, eh? I got more good stuff in my stashbox. Help yourself... please.

"And less on government assistance." - How about less on war?
IMO, it's obscene how much money is being spent in Iraq (billions per week?) that could be building schools, hospitals, libraries, colleges, breaking up gangs, etc. etc. etc.

As far as a bi-partisan ticket goes, at this point in history when so much is being asked of our military I believe now is the time for a Powel/Clark or McCain/Cohen type ticket. Two military men (or women) who have been in combat first hand, one from each party, to spank the rest of us into some kind of unity and not take war so lightly might just be what we need. Kerry was my guy. A deal breaker for you I know. But the Peaceful Warrior? His story spoke to me. Anyway... back to compromise.

Hmmmm. Wouldn't it be a kick if there were a ticket we could both vote for?

I think I'm more the Colin Powel type and you are more McCainish. Lol.

Ok Powel/McCain or McCain/Powel?
Let's flip a coin.

Peace.
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