i rented a segway ht... - Page 4

vpv · 06-01-2003, 08:13 PM

I guess facts are subject to interpretation, and that's what's being done here by some people...

Is Andrew, the renter, not maintaining the safe image that Segways [owners] currently have? Read his explanation. You can interpret it the way you like but in my opinion, him "not trying to fall off" is maintaining the safe image of segways (granted he wasn't trained properly).
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I'd like to clear some stuff up.

First of all i don't know that Saber Salinas guy. He wasn't there and his girlfriend's husband was the one who did the filming and the editing.

Second: I absolutly was not trying to fall off it but i was trying to find the limits of it, I participate in other balance sports, bicycling, skateboarding, snowboarding so I am used to falling down and i feel more comfortable when i know the limits of the tech. It wasn't a big deal to fall and I assumed it was fairly normal till jack later told me that was the first fall he had ever seen.

I really appreciate the screenshot with the diagram overlay. Thanks. Just for the engineering types. I'm 6'2", 225lbs, size 12 feet.

pt got it right, we rented the segways from Jack at Segway Rentals in Vancouver. He drove out to meet us with 4 of them and did the tutorial. We didn't get to watch the video and I think that would have made a big difference.

I was back at the shop yesterday and I got to see the video, I love it. It totally made me believe in the Utopian society that is coming and my part in it . After that 16min assault on my convictions we headed off out of the store in a straight line, totally blank-faced and mumbling "Riding a Segway is one of the coolest thing I will ever do" over and over to ourselves.

Ben is just finishing up a longer cut of our segway experience. It should be ready in a few days.

andrew

pt · 06-01-2003, 08:24 PM

vpv-

i think you're finally coming around when you said "granted he wasn't trained properly" that is the point!!!!

here's andrew's note to me...

"It was my first day on a Segway and I was really excited to see the limits of it"... "..I wasn't trying to overdo it but I definitely was trying to put myself in a position that was not natural"

he also said he never got to watch the video in the post you posted. it's been reported from a site that did a review that training was 15 minutes.

i also recieved emails from people which details how jack rents hts, as well as the problems with the vancouver officials.

so...

i think rentals places, like jack's are there to maximize profits, proper training and watching a video cuts into the profits and -that- is what a rental biz needs to do, make profits.

the video makes the ht not look safe and we all know he wasn't trained properly. i think you know what the result will be if and when the vancouver officials find out about this, i'm hoping jack replies to my emails.

cheers,
pt

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http://www.bookofseg.com

other stuff:
http://www.flashenabled.com

vpv · 06-01-2003, 08:37 PM

The point is here about the renter not the biz who rents, which we all agree is questionable.. I've repeated time and time again that the blame doesn't fall on the RENTER..

Here's another message from Heather, one of the girl in the video. Is the RENTER, Heather, not maintaining the safe image that Segways [owners] currently have? Of course she is. PT.. read the last sentence.. about learnin curves.. People who rent segways have the same vested interest in maintaining the safe image of Segways. So don't fault the renters.
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Hello. This is my first time posting. I just wanted to say I was one of the people renting the segways on the day the footage of Andrew falling off was shot. I really enjoyed it and if we had the money we'd probably get one. I hope that rental spots don't get Segways banned. It may be the only way people get to try them out if they can't fork out the $7500 Can. We were at a park. Lots of people were watching us try them. Even though they have been on the news, most people hadn't heard of them. It seems as though renting could really increase people's awareness of Segways. Anyway, just once more for the record. Andrew isn't a punk. He was just following instructions on how to stop aggressively. What's the big deal about falling off anyway? People fall off bikes when they learn to ride them. Then they improve. It's all part of the learning curve.

Linc2000 · 06-01-2003, 08:52 PM

I remember during training while we were watching the video that someone said showing this video would discourage people from buying a Segway and would hurt sales and questioned why they showed it. Some people voiced agreement. Of course, I had to comment they already have us hooked and it was safe to show us the video. We then discussed the video and the safety issues it covered and the importance of knowing the limits of the Segway. We all eventually agreed it was important part of training. Lincoln

P.S. I hope the rental operators are not keeping the video from renters because they think it will discourage them from renting a Segway.

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pt · 06-01-2003, 08:57 PM

Quote:

quote:Originally posted by vpv The point is here about the renter not the biz who rents, which we all agree is questionable..

wow, finally you're getting it. i don't think andrew did anything wrong. he wasn't trained properly.

now, this is how one rental place does biz.

my plan is to work with these place to make sure it doesn't happen again.

Quote:

quote:Originally posted by vpv People who rent segways have the same vested interest in maintaining the safe image of Segways. So don't fault the renters.

haha, they want to get their $40 worth. you're way off here.

but i'm sure all the facts will speak for themselves, like they have already.

cheers,
pt

======================

segway ht journal:
http://www.bookofseg.com

other stuff:
http://www.flashenabled.com

pt · 06-02-2003, 09:42 AM

update, see my new thread with the news coverage.

http://www.segwaychat.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3606

cheers,
pt

======================

segway ht journal:
http://www.bookofseg.com

other stuff:
http://www.flashenabled.com

WFB48 · 06-02-2003, 12:00 PM

It's amazing to see the anti-Segway forces at work in various parks departments due to the POSSIBILITY of an injury. We have allowed bikes to use park paths for years, in some state parks on a rental basis. There have undoubtedly been numerous incidents involving riders and pedestrians but bikes are not banned. Uncertainty generates fear of the unknown. Familiarity brings tolerance. Until Segways become more widespread, and the nature of their true risk is understood, those who feel it is their responsibility to protect people from themselves will keep passing laws against this perceived menace to safety.

WFB48

pt · 06-02-2003, 12:05 PM

wfb48-

rentals force parks to consider these things, if the rental place in my area worked with the city, it would have not been an issue and i bet they would have reached some compromise.

bike have been around for 100 years, and there is fear of something new. it's human nature.

cheers,
pt

======================

segway ht journal:
http://www.bookofseg.com

other stuff:
http://www.flashenabled.com

Sleepy · 06-02-2003, 12:43 PM

Isn't Segway LLC partnered up with Keolis group in France to rent Segways from their "Oxygen" rental kiosks? Isn't this an endorsement by Segway LLC for rentals?

I agree that, short-term, rentals are going to hurt our public image because of lack of training. But I think rentals in the long run are a great idea. But just as you wouldn't rent a bike to a novice and send them into traffic, the same should apply to Segway rentals. The problem is, how does the general public get trained on Segs if they don't have access to them other than these rental places? Is it up to us owners to train as many people as we can?Should rentals only be available to owners?

I don't have any solutions... just a few more things to think about.

-Alex

bicycledriver · 06-02-2003, 03:26 PM

Bikes were banned from Raleigh's Shelly Lake path system after a fast-moving bicycle rider killed an elderly pedestrian on the paved trail. The pedestrian stepped sideways or backward into the path of the cyclist.

Ironically, the Shelly Lake paths were originally intended primarily for bicycle use, but were allowed for pedestrian use. The pedestrian use ended up outnumbering the bicyclists. Unfortunately, the paved paths are too narrow for comfortable sharing between pedestrians walking two and three abreast and faster bicycle traffic.

The safest shared-use paths tend to be designed wider, more like miniature roadways, such that cyclists can pass pedestrians with a more adequate gap for their speed.

-Steve Goodridge

06-01-2003, 08:13 PM	#31
vpv Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA, . Posts: 106	I guess facts are subject to interpretation, and that's what's being done here by some people... Is Andrew, the renter, not maintaining the safe image that Segways [owners] currently have? Read his explanation. You can interpret it the way you like but in my opinion, him "not trying to fall off" is maintaining the safe image of segways (granted he wasn't trained properly). --------------------------- I'd like to clear some stuff up. First of all i don't know that Saber Salinas guy. He wasn't there and his girlfriend's husband was the one who did the filming and the editing. Second: I absolutly was not trying to fall off it but i was trying to find the limits of it, I participate in other balance sports, bicycling, skateboarding, snowboarding so I am used to falling down and i feel more comfortable when i know the limits of the tech. It wasn't a big deal to fall and I assumed it was fairly normal till jack later told me that was the first fall he had ever seen. I really appreciate the screenshot with the diagram overlay. Thanks. Just for the engineering types. I'm 6'2", 225lbs, size 12 feet. pt got it right, we rented the segways from Jack at Segway Rentals in Vancouver. He drove out to meet us with 4 of them and did the tutorial. We didn't get to watch the video and I think that would have made a big difference. I was back at the shop yesterday and I got to see the video, I love it. It totally made me believe in the Utopian society that is coming and my part in it . After that 16min assault on my convictions we headed off out of the store in a straight line, totally blank-faced and mumbling "Riding a Segway is one of the coolest thing I will ever do" over and over to ourselves. Ben is just finishing up a longer cut of our segway experience. It should be ready in a few days. andrew

06-01-2003, 08:24 PM	#32
pt Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: seattle, wa, USA. Posts: 3,000	vpv- i think you're finally coming around when you said "granted he wasn't trained properly" that is the point!!!! here's andrew's note to me... "It was my first day on a Segway and I was really excited to see the limits of it"... "..I wasn't trying to overdo it but I definitely was trying to put myself in a position that was not natural" he also said he never got to watch the video in the post you posted. it's been reported from a site that did a review that training was 15 minutes. i also recieved emails from people which details how jack rents hts, as well as the problems with the vancouver officials. so... i think rentals places, like jack's are there to maximize profits, proper training and watching a video cuts into the profits and -that- is what a rental biz needs to do, make profits. the video makes the ht not look safe and we all know he wasn't trained properly. i think you know what the result will be if and when the vancouver officials find out about this, i'm hoping jack replies to my emails. cheers, pt ====================== segway ht journal: http://www.bookofseg.com other stuff: http://www.flashenabled.com

06-01-2003, 08:37 PM	#33
vpv Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA, . Posts: 106	The point is here about the renter not the biz who rents, which we all agree is questionable.. I've repeated time and time again that the blame doesn't fall on the RENTER.. Here's another message from Heather, one of the girl in the video. Is the RENTER, Heather, not maintaining the safe image that Segways [owners] currently have? Of course she is. PT.. read the last sentence.. about learnin curves.. People who rent segways have the same vested interest in maintaining the safe image of Segways. So don't fault the renters. ---------------------------- Hello. This is my first time posting. I just wanted to say I was one of the people renting the segways on the day the footage of Andrew falling off was shot. I really enjoyed it and if we had the money we'd probably get one. I hope that rental spots don't get Segways banned. It may be the only way people get to try them out if they can't fork out the $7500 Can. We were at a park. Lots of people were watching us try them. Even though they have been on the news, most people hadn't heard of them. It seems as though renting could really increase people's awareness of Segways. Anyway, just once more for the record. Andrew isn't a punk. He was just following instructions on how to stop aggressively. What's the big deal about falling off anyway? People fall off bikes when they learn to ride them. Then they improve. It's all part of the learning curve.

06-01-2003, 08:52 PM	#34
Linc2000 Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: San Diego, California, USA. Posts: 396	I remember during training while we were watching the video that someone said showing this video would discourage people from buying a Segway and would hurt sales and questioned why they showed it. Some people voiced agreement. Of course, I had to comment they already have us hooked and it was safe to show us the video. We then discussed the video and the safety issues it covered and the importance of knowing the limits of the Segway. We all eventually agreed it was important part of training. Lincoln P.S. I hope the rental operators are not keeping the video from renters because they think it will discourage them from renting a Segway. <center> </center>

06-02-2003, 09:42 AM	#36
pt Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: seattle, wa, USA. Posts: 3,000	update, see my new thread with the news coverage. http://www.segwaychat.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3606 cheers, pt ====================== segway ht journal: http://www.bookofseg.com other stuff: http://www.flashenabled.com

06-02-2003, 12:00 PM	#37
WFB48 New Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Fond du Lac, Wisconsin, USA. Posts: 8	It's amazing to see the anti-Segway forces at work in various parks departments due to the POSSIBILITY of an injury. We have allowed bikes to use park paths for years, in some state parks on a rental basis. There have undoubtedly been numerous incidents involving riders and pedestrians but bikes are not banned. Uncertainty generates fear of the unknown. Familiarity brings tolerance. Until Segways become more widespread, and the nature of their true risk is understood, those who feel it is their responsibility to protect people from themselves will keep passing laws against this perceived menace to safety. WFB48

06-02-2003, 12:05 PM	#38
pt Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: seattle, wa, USA. Posts: 3,000	wfb48- rentals force parks to consider these things, if the rental place in my area worked with the city, it would have not been an issue and i bet they would have reached some compromise. bike have been around for 100 years, and there is fear of something new. it's human nature. cheers, pt ====================== segway ht journal: http://www.bookofseg.com other stuff: http://www.flashenabled.com

06-02-2003, 12:43 PM	#39
Sleepy Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Santa Clara, CA, USA. Posts: 637	Isn't Segway LLC partnered up with Keolis group in France to rent Segways from their "Oxygen" rental kiosks? Isn't this an endorsement by Segway LLC for rentals? I agree that, short-term, rentals are going to hurt our public image because of lack of training. But I think rentals in the long run are a great idea. But just as you wouldn't rent a bike to a novice and send them into traffic, the same should apply to Segway rentals. The problem is, how does the general public get trained on Segs if they don't have access to them other than these rental places? Is it up to us owners to train as many people as we can?Should rentals only be available to owners? I don't have any solutions... just a few more things to think about. -Alex

06-02-2003, 03:26 PM	#40
bicycledriver Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: , , . Posts: 513	Bikes were banned from Raleigh's Shelly Lake path system after a fast-moving bicycle rider killed an elderly pedestrian on the paved trail. The pedestrian stepped sideways or backward into the path of the cyclist. Ironically, the Shelly Lake paths were originally intended primarily for bicycle use, but were allowed for pedestrian use. The pedestrian use ended up outnumbering the bicyclists. Unfortunately, the paved paths are too narrow for comfortable sharing between pedestrians walking two and three abreast and faster bicycle traffic. The safest shared-use paths tend to be designed wider, more like miniature roadways, such that cyclists can pass pedestrians with a more adequate gap for their speed. -Steve Goodridge

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