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Old 09-29-2012, 09:58 AM   #21
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I filed an email complaint with the ADA. After submitting the complaint I received a automated reply that they received the complaint. That was over a month ago. I have not heard anything else from them. Do I need to contact them about this issue or does it just take a while to get my complaint processed.
The wheels of justice grind very, very slowly.....
I suspect that the magnitude of your complaint may make a small difference. Did it tell you that if you have not heard in 6 weeks or so to check with them? Then you can expect another 3-6 months or even longer. At least this has been my experience.
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The wheels of justice grind very, very slowly.....
The important thing is whether they grind finely.
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Old 03-06-2014, 05:41 PM   #23
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Very interesting thread.
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"In order to be regarded as having a disability and being protected under the ADA one must have a substantial limitation in their ability to walk."

I am mobility impaired to the degree that I have to avoid any activity that involves walking more than a short distance. I have never had anyone question my disability, and would be offended if anyone would. It is a matter between me and my doctor. I am well aware of the apparent abuse of disabled parking permits, but question how such misuse could be policed. Isn't there protections in the ADA against challenges regarding the severity of a person's handicap? The more basic question is, what is the larger problem, abuse of disability status or denial of the right of access for disabled folks.
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Old 03-07-2014, 10:05 AM   #24
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Very interesting thread.
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"In order to be regarded as having a disability and being protected under the ADA one must have a substantial limitation in their ability to walk."

I am mobility impaired to the degree that I have to avoid any activity that involves walking more than a short distance. I have never had anyone question my disability, and would be offended if anyone would. It is a matter between me and my doctor. I am well aware of the apparent abuse of disabled parking permits, but question how such misuse could be policed. Isn't there protections in the ADA against challenges regarding the severity of a person's handicap? The more basic question is, what is the larger problem, abuse of disability status or denial of the right of access for disabled folks.
Under ADA 2010 the only question anyone can ask about your disability is if you have one. They must take your permit card as sufficient proof. If you do not have one, then they must take your word for it unless there is visible evidence to the contrary. Not all disabilities are visible, but if you are turning cartwheels in the parking lot, they might have reason to question your status. That one of course has the potential for a problem...

As for which abuse of ADA is the bigger problem, that's a judgement call... They both create a problem for the disabled.

As for abuse of handicap spaces, that one is another sticky one. I've been told that the store has no power in the matter even if it is solely their parking lot...and I've never seen city police checking for that kind of violation.
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I just experience a very humiliating moment in San Diego CA,
when I tried gently to inform the young lady about ADA , this brushed me even more so,
I always ask, so I specd a restaurant where there is room to park without troubling anyone then ask if OK to leave it there during my meal,
Oh my gosh, I pretty much got kicked out of there eventhough there was virtully nobody in the place, so my guests (Non ADA ) and I left, this just happened 20160427 7.30pm in San Diego Gaslight District,
unbelievable , a young lady refusing to hear why she was exposing the owner of the establishment to potential legal problems,
try to be gentle, next time, I will call the police and be done with the nonsense of ignorants deciding to stay that way,
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Why is the last post from 2014 ?
I just experience a very humiliating moment in San Diego CA,
when I tried gently to inform the young lady about ADA , this brushed me even more so,
I always ask, so I specd a restaurant where there is room to park without troubling anyone then ask if OK to leave it there during my meal,
Oh my gosh, I pretty much got kicked out of there eventhough there was virtully nobody in the place, so my guests (Non ADA ) and I left, this just happened 20160427 7.30pm in San Diego Gaslight District,
unbelievable , a young lady refusing to hear why she was exposing the owner of the establishment to potential legal problems,
try to be gentle, next time, I will call the police and be done with the nonsense of ignorants deciding to stay that way,
I have all my paperwork in my backpack and I also keep DOJ phone number in my cell phone.....
You may want to due the same.....I have a service dog and I keep all his info on him.....people just dont get it!
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Old 07-04-2018, 10:18 PM   #27
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Many more facilities are updating their accessibility guidelines to include Segways. The ADA regulations covers all 50 states and includes "Wheelchairs, Mobility Aids, and Other Power-Driven Mobility Devices" It considers Segways as OPDMD Ė Other Power-Driven Mobility Devices just like motorized wheelchairs and mobility scooters.

However, you can ONLY ride if you have a state issued Handicapped Parking Permit (like the one that hangs from you carís rear view mirror). NOTE: I have a Segway MiniPRO with handlebar that has a scaled down copy of my Handicapped Permit in a special holder I made attached to it. (I tried to post a photo but coudn't get it small enough. If you PM me, I'll send it to you).

For all of you who have encountered problems in the past I hope you've seen changes for the better. Here are several situations I encountered in the past year:

1) I checked the New York City Parks Dept. website and found the name of their Accessibility Coordinator. He confirmed all NYC Parks are fully ADA compliant including use of OPDMD's. The next week I went riding in Central Park and got waves and thumbs ups from the NYC Police and park dept. employees.

2) I read that OPDMD's are allowed on paved paths in many NY State Parks. I spoke to their State ADA Coordinator who confirmed use of OPDMD's but suggested I speak to the specific park manager about which paths would be best. I did that and have ridden many times in Roosevelt State Park with no problems.

3) We are members of the New York Botanical Garden which is a 250 acre facility with mostly paved sidewalks and roads. I called and spoke with their Security Director, sent him ADA information and got a letter back from their Accessibility Director advising me that OPDMD's were fine except inside the main greenhouse where it can be wet and the paths are narrow & crowded. They let me park inside the building at the security desk. Their latest brochure covers all disability issues including OPDMD's.

4) Went to southern Florida on vacation and rode everywhere with no problem. Even rode through a glass exhibit at the Boca Museum of Art. I thought the Security Guards eyes were going to pop out of their heads!

5) I made a full-scale presentation to my local Parks Advisory Committee about Segway use on mixed-use paved pedestrian and bicycle paths for general non-handicapped purposes. They decided to keep their policy to not allow motorized vehicles including motorized wheelchairs. By working through the county's office for disabilities services and providing a copy of the ADA requirement, I was able to get them to change their policy.

For us older folks, the key here is to get a Handicapped Parking Permit. It gives us leverage through the ADA. I do sometimes carry a copy with me if I'm going into unfamiliar territory. Be proactive and don't take no for an answer!
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I always carry a copy of the letter from my doctor.

You don't have to be severely disabled to use an assistive device if it helps you, just like those who use cane can not be restricted if they have a valid need.
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I always carry a copy of the letter from my doctor.

You don't have to be severely disabled to use an assistive device if it helps you, just like those who use cane can not be restricted if they have a valid need.
But by law, you DO NOT need any letter from anyone.....Just carry the law with you!.....Its NO ONES business if your hurt, sick or disabled!...
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