rentals and "andrew the segway monster" video

pt · 05-30-2003, 12:51 PM

i sent andrew an email, the fella who make the video titled "andrew the segway monster" that showed a safety shutdown. here's the scoop.

first, he's a really nice guy...loves the segway. here's what he said:

"It was my first day on a Segway and I was really excited to see the limits of it. You can imagine 2 years of hype building into this moment. I have it bad for Ginger. She's hot".

more stuff.

1. this was a rental place in vancouver. it seems "saber" might know something we don't, these were not owners, this was not owner training, these were rentals from what andrew said.

2. the instructor was teaching stopping:

"The exercise we were doing was to teach aggressive stopping. He wanted me to come at him as fast as I could (with the black key) and then stop as fast as I could. It was probably my 5th attempt, and he wanted me to be more aggressive each time. I wasn't trying to overdo it but I definitely was trying to put myself in a position that was not natural, i.e. really letting the machine hold me. I think it did work correctly".

he told me he weighs 225 lbs and have size 12 shoes and has a few theories why it did a safety shutdown, all sound reasonable to me.

i invited him to the forum, hopefully he'll pop in and everyone can ask him questions or whatever.

in closing he said...

"Great work you are doing on the site. I'll have a video for the multimedia section in a few days: "How to ride no hands, one foot", I have it mastered now".

so we can expect another video soon to chat about.

cheers,
pt

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Race3 · 05-30-2003, 01:03 PM

thanks.

pt · 05-30-2003, 01:21 PM

i'm guessing this is the rental place, i'll try and confirm:
http://www.fhtsc.com

here's what this site said about it:
http://www.voltage-ev.com/modules.ph...rder=0&thold=0

"For $10, you get to watch an incredibly dull safety video and spend about 15 minutes learning the ropes oÂ*n a Segway in their small space. OÂ*nce you complete the training, the rental rate is 33 cents/minute or $20/hour. They oÂ*nly allow "yellow key" speeds (about 13 km/h) for rentals, but it is certainly enough to get a feel for the machine".

so you get 15 minutes of training in a small area on the ht according to this site. then you're free to go 8 mph in vancouver.

cheers,
pt

======================

segway ht journal:
http://www.bookofseg.com

other stuff:
http://www.flashenabled.com

fredkap · 05-30-2003, 01:23 PM

Good thing they stress non-agressive safe segging.

Fred

BruceWright · 05-30-2003, 01:28 PM

Sounds like they need to train their trainers better, or hire ones which care more about safety.

-Bruce Wright

Segway: Vehicle of Dream

Sid Viscous · 05-30-2003, 01:36 PM

Do not expect 4 or 5 hours of rental time riding around to qualify as training by Segway so you can get your machine.

I don't know if their people are Segway "train the trainer" trained, but I doubt it. I suspect that Segway is not happy with this situation either, and I don't believe it is sanctioned by Segway.

pt · 05-30-2003, 01:46 PM

well-

segways aren't sold to canada (yet) if you tell segway you plan to rent them they won't sell them to you. training is more than 15 minutes for anyone (god gawd 15 minutes!!) and i don't think the rental place in vancouver has a segway trained trainer either.

my demonstrations are sometimes 20 minutes, and that's 15 minutes of training not on the ht and 5 minutes of riding in a controlled area, on a black key with me walking along side with one hand on the ht.

yikes.

cheers,
pt

======================

segway ht journal:
http://www.bookofseg.com

other stuff:
http://www.flashenabled.com

mellenger · 05-30-2003, 02:05 PM

It's me, andrew. The so called Segway Monster.

I'd like to clear some stuff up.

First of all i don't know that Saber Salinas guy. He wasn't there and his girlfriend's husband was the one who did the filming and the editing.

Second: I absolutly was not trying to fall off it but i was trying to find the limits of it, I participate in other balance sports, bicycling, skateboarding, snowboarding so I am used to falling down and i feel more comfortable when i know the limits of the tech. It wasn't a big deal to fall and I assumed it was fairly normal till jack later told me that was the first fall he had ever seen.

I really appreciate the screenshot with the diagram overlay. Thanks. Just for the engineering types. I'm 6'2", 225lbs, size 12 feet.

pt got it right, we rented the segways from Jack at Segway Rentals in Vancouver. He drove out to meet us with 4 of them and did the tutorial. We didn't get to watch the video and I think that would have made a big difference.

I was back at the shop yesterday and I got to see the video, I love it. It totally made me believe in the Utopian society that is coming and my part in it

. After that 16min assault on my convictions we headed off out of the store in a straight line, totally blank-faced and mumbling "Riding a Segway is one of the coolest thing I will ever do" over and over to ourselves.

Ben is just finishing up a longer cut of our segway experience. It should be ready in a few days.

andrew

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http://m3mm.com

pam · 05-30-2003, 02:10 PM

Welcome, Andrew! If you love the Segway, you'll enjoy being around this group!
Pam

pt · 05-30-2003, 02:12 PM

wow!

welcome andrew! i'm really glad you joined, lots of folks will have questions. i'm pretty sure you are now the most watched segway rider ever in this forum.

cheers,
pt

======================

segway ht journal:
http://www.bookofseg.com

other stuff:
http://www.flashenabled.com

05-30-2003, 12:51 PM	#1
pt Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: seattle, wa, USA. Posts: 3,000	rentals and "andrew the segway monster" video i sent andrew an email, the fella who make the video titled "andrew the segway monster" that showed a safety shutdown. here's the scoop. first, he's a really nice guy...loves the segway. here's what he said: "It was my first day on a Segway and I was really excited to see the limits of it. You can imagine 2 years of hype building into this moment. I have it bad for Ginger. She's hot". more stuff. 1. this was a rental place in vancouver. it seems "saber" might know something we don't, these were not owners, this was not owner training, these were rentals from what andrew said. 2. the instructor was teaching stopping: "The exercise we were doing was to teach aggressive stopping. He wanted me to come at him as fast as I could (with the black key) and then stop as fast as I could. It was probably my 5th attempt, and he wanted me to be more aggressive each time. I wasn't trying to overdo it but I definitely was trying to put myself in a position that was not natural, i.e. really letting the machine hold me. I think it did work correctly". he told me he weighs 225 lbs and have size 12 shoes and has a few theories why it did a safety shutdown, all sound reasonable to me. i invited him to the forum, hopefully he'll pop in and everyone can ask him questions or whatever. in closing he said... "Great work you are doing on the site. I'll have a video for the multimedia section in a few days: "How to ride no hands, one foot", I have it mastered now". so we can expect another video soon to chat about. cheers, pt ====================== segway ht journal: http://www.bookofseg.com other stuff: http://www.flashenabled.com

05-30-2003, 01:03 PM	#2
Race3 Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Brookline, MA, USA. Posts: 184	thanks.

05-30-2003, 01:21 PM	#3
pt Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: seattle, wa, USA. Posts: 3,000	i'm guessing this is the rental place, i'll try and confirm: http://www.fhtsc.com here's what this site said about it: http://www.voltage-ev.com/modules.ph...rder=0&thold=0 "For $10, you get to watch an incredibly dull safety video and spend about 15 minutes learning the ropes oÂn a Segway in their small space. OÂnce you complete the training, the rental rate is 33 cents/minute or $20/hour. They oÂ*nly allow "yellow key" speeds (about 13 km/h) for rentals, but it is certainly enough to get a feel for the machine". so you get 15 minutes of training in a small area on the ht according to this site. then you're free to go 8 mph in vancouver. cheers, pt ====================== segway ht journal: http://www.bookofseg.com other stuff: http://www.flashenabled.com

05-30-2003, 01:23 PM	#4
fredkap Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles - Westside, CA, USA. Posts: 1,336	Good thing they stress non-agressive safe segging. Fred

05-30-2003, 01:28 PM	#5
BruceWright Advanced Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sherman Oaks (Los Angeles), California, USA. Posts: 3,296	Sounds like they need to train their trainers better, or hire ones which care more about safety. -Bruce Wright Segway: Vehicle of Dream

05-30-2003, 01:36 PM	#6
Sid Viscous Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: , , . Posts: 607	Do not expect 4 or 5 hours of rental time riding around to qualify as training by Segway so you can get your machine. I don't know if their people are Segway "train the trainer" trained, but I doubt it. I suspect that Segway is not happy with this situation either, and I don't believe it is sanctioned by Segway.

05-30-2003, 01:46 PM	#7
pt Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: seattle, wa, USA. Posts: 3,000	well- segways aren't sold to canada (yet) if you tell segway you plan to rent them they won't sell them to you. training is more than 15 minutes for anyone (god gawd 15 minutes!!) and i don't think the rental place in vancouver has a segway trained trainer either. my demonstrations are sometimes 20 minutes, and that's 15 minutes of training not on the ht and 5 minutes of riding in a controlled area, on a black key with me walking along side with one hand on the ht. yikes. cheers, pt ====================== segway ht journal: http://www.bookofseg.com other stuff: http://www.flashenabled.com

05-30-2003, 02:05 PM	#8
mellenger New Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Surrey, BC, Canada. Posts: 9	It's me, andrew. The so called Segway Monster. I'd like to clear some stuff up. First of all i don't know that Saber Salinas guy. He wasn't there and his girlfriend's husband was the one who did the filming and the editing. Second: I absolutly was not trying to fall off it but i was trying to find the limits of it, I participate in other balance sports, bicycling, skateboarding, snowboarding so I am used to falling down and i feel more comfortable when i know the limits of the tech. It wasn't a big deal to fall and I assumed it was fairly normal till jack later told me that was the first fall he had ever seen. I really appreciate the screenshot with the diagram overlay. Thanks. Just for the engineering types. I'm 6'2", 225lbs, size 12 feet. pt got it right, we rented the segways from Jack at Segway Rentals in Vancouver. He drove out to meet us with 4 of them and did the tutorial. We didn't get to watch the video and I think that would have made a big difference. I was back at the shop yesterday and I got to see the video, I love it. It totally made me believe in the Utopian society that is coming and my part in it . After that 16min assault on my convictions we headed off out of the store in a straight line, totally blank-faced and mumbling "Riding a Segway is one of the coolest thing I will ever do" over and over to ourselves. Ben is just finishing up a longer cut of our segway experience. It should be ready in a few days. andrew ======== http://m3mm.com

05-30-2003, 02:10 PM	#9
pam Last of the Early 30 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Yelm, WA Posts: 4,679	Welcome, Andrew! If you love the Segway, you'll enjoy being around this group! Pam

05-30-2003, 02:12 PM	#10
pt Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: seattle, wa, USA. Posts: 3,000	wow! welcome andrew! i'm really glad you joined, lots of folks will have questions. i'm pretty sure you are now the most watched segway rider ever in this forum. cheers, pt ====================== segway ht journal: http://www.bookofseg.com other stuff: http://www.flashenabled.com

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