see jack remove video...

[pt]

so from what i understand jack the owner of the rental place (with optional safety video and the 15 minute training) in vancouver is demanding that andrew take the video down. if you go to the link now, it's not up any longer.

http://m3mm.com/SegwayCrash.wmv

here's the place:
http://www.fhtsc.com/

that's a bummer.

-i think jack is a crappy instructor and he didn't do a good job at all based on what i've seen.

-he is the one who instructed these folks, if he doesn't like the results of his own actions, i think that's too bad.

-i don't think andrew did anything wrong at all. in fact, he did everything he was TOLD TO DO!

-people can and will fall off segway hts. especially when they're told to (like jack basically told andrew to in my opinion).

i guess jack reads this site, it would be cool if jack would chime in?

i'm gonna send him a note, see what he thinks.

cheers,
pt



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segway ht journal:
http://www.bookofseg.com

other stuff:
http://www.flashenabled.com

[BruceWright]

I have a copy on my computer.

I think it shows that Jack is a bit worried about the public seeing his operation in action.


I don't think it was Andrew's fault either, anyone might have done exactly that, as instructed.

-Bruce Wright

Segway: Vehicle of Dream

[gotseg]

Bruce, can you upload your copy?

gotseg?

[wheels]

quote:Originally posted by gotseg

Bruce, can you upload your copy?

gotseg?


I second the request to upload your copy Bruce. I don't give a hoot about "Jack... a_s", I want to study the 'By the numbers' action.

One way..... SEGWAY ! !

[pt]

i'll host the video, someone just send it to me, thanks.

cheers,
pt



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segway ht journal:
http://www.bookofseg.com

other stuff:
http://www.flashenabled.com

[hubbahbubbah]

I think we should put it up too. It's a good cautionary video of what happens when you lean on the handle bar... Also, how not to instruct a Segway course.

Hubbah

::: http://stinkyshorts.blogspot.com :::

[pt]

hubbah-

yah--i think jack 100% doesn't want anyone to see this video ;-]

i also think jack fears for his biz, when you have people posting on web sites that they didn't see any safety video, that training is 15 minutes...and then you let folks loose with the yellow key in a town and you see this video, well...i'm sure jack is kinda worried.

i emailed him and invited him here, i hope he does. i bet he will not though.

cheers,
pt



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segway ht journal:
http://www.bookofseg.com

other stuff:
http://www.flashenabled.com

[RWC]

quote:

here's the place:
http://www.fhtsc.com/




I notice that there is a Legal Issues topic on "Jack"'s business Web site. One legal issue not covered is that all of his photos are S T O L E N.

maybe it's a NAFTA thing...? :^)


Take care, R.

"The best way to control your cow or sheep is to give them a large spacious meadow" - Suzuki Roshi

[hubbahbubbah]

quote:Originally posted by pt

hubbah-

yah--i think jack 100% doesn't want anyone to see this video ;-]

i also think jack fears for his biz, when you have people posting on web sites that they didn't see any safety video, that training is 15 minutes...and then you let folks loose with the yellow key in a town and you see this video, well...i'm sure jack is kinda worried.

i emailed him and invited him here, i hope he does. i bet he will not though.

cheers,
pt


Roger that. :)

::: http://stinkyshorts.blogspot.com :::

[pt]

check it out:
http://www.fhtsc.com/page8.html

i think some rental companies are going to pull this and think they don't need insurance..."sign this, so nothing ever no matter what is our fault". even if our trainer doesn't show a safety video, trains for 15 minutes and teaches aggressive techniques.

it doesn't work that way, wait until something does happen and someone renting the ht for $20 doesn't have any assets. they'll go after the rental place and segway.

this is bad, bad, bad.

for you folks who live in canada, i urge you to write jack and express concerns about all this. it's not too late, but the clock -is- ticking, loudly.

cheers,
pt



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segway ht journal:
http://www.bookofseg.com

other stuff:
http://www.flashenabled.com

[mellenger]

pt,

okay i think your taking it a bit far. When I talked to Jack yesterday he said he would never do what he did again, namely meeting us in surrey and doing the training. Afterwards he encouraged all of us to come down to the office and watch the video. Two of us did do that yesterday and I think the video is great and an important detail in learning to ride the segway. I don't want my kids to say to me one day "Hey dad, do you know why Segways are banned in Vancouver?" and have to come clean on this story.

On the legal front. I understand that there is no legal ground for me to remove the video. Jack's stance was that he wasn't asked permission and he is in the video so it's illegal to show it. That is simply not true. Shows like COPS have to blur out people's faces only because it's on a Public brodcasted network. The internet isn't governed by the same laws because you choose to click on a link and download it, it's not pushed to your TV like a broadcast system.

I loved riding segways and there is no way i would have had the chance if it wasn't for Jack starting Segway Rentals. Too bad he hates me now.

Andrew

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http://m3mm.com

[pt]

if you like to ride segways, doncha' think jack should do things better?

let me know if this is accurate:
http://www.segwaychat.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3546

cheers,
pt



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segway ht journal:
http://www.bookofseg.com

other stuff:
http://www.flashenabled.com

[pam]

Andrew, it's a shame he hates you, but the truth of the matter is that he is upset because he's been caught doing something that shouldn't have been done... Not because of something you did. You were simply an instrument at this point in time, and he would have been caught by someone else doing the same thing at some other point. So he's blaming you for the heat for his own behavior (training lapses). Other than the fact that you've lost one source to playing with a Segway, I'm not sure you've lost a lot.
Pam

[clm]

quote:Originally posted by pt

i'll host the video, someone just send it to me, thanks.

cheers,
pt


PT, I would LOVE to be able to step through that video frame by frame, but my viewer won't let me do that. Is it me or the file format? And if it is the format could you (please) convert it to a format that allows frame-by-frame slo mo?

Thanks,
Chris

[pt]

it's windows media, so it's hard to get frame by frame, i might be able to get it in a better format that allows that tho...the 2nd half of the video is in slow motion, do you need it slower than that? i can most likely fo that.

cheers,
pt



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segway ht journal:
http://www.bookofseg.com

other stuff:
http://www.flashenabled.com

[clm]

quote:Originally posted by pt

it's windows media, so it's hard to get frame by frame, i might be able to get it in a better format that allows that tho...the 2nd half of the video is in slow motion, do you need it slower than that? i can most likely fo that.

cheers,
pt


It would be great to have the frame-by-frame from the moment the wheels reverse to the moment Andrew's knuckles touch down.
I want to measure the acceleration in reverse and the velocities of the stick moving forward over the top from the still frames.

Personally I have NEVER gotten my platform so far away from vertical and never plan to do so. I do get "me" that far back in a fast stop, but the stick is always at arms length from my body and the platform much more level. I would have expected the Segway to have limit tripped on the back lean and dropped Andrew on his butt, but it didn't.

I wonder why it didn't? If it had Andrew would have continue to slide forward, perhaps into harm's way. Instead the Segway stopped him short and then "deposited" him straight down on a spot short of harm's way.

Incredible...

The Segway is designed to prevent injury no matter what.

Then sensing that the rider is out-of-bounds it put him off the machine safely before there could be any more mayhem!

Smart machine!

Chris

[opti6600]

pt, the usual way to get WM video to AVI is through the DirectX toolkit or what have you. If you Google it, instructions are available.

[bmccune]

I am reading all of your comments and concerns about training people to use the Segways before letting them glide off, and I can;t get one comment out of my mind...

When you go to a location where rentals are readily available (golf carts, electric cars, bikes, scooters, etc.) they take a driver's license and a credit card from the renter... not necessarily the operator. You will tend to see many 14 year olds cruising around in the golf cart that daddy rented for them. There are no laws that say that a 14 year old cannot drive a golf cart. I see a kid in a golf cart with much more potential to cause damage, than a kid on a segway.

Comments?

[pt]

golf carts are not allowed in public parks and sidewalks.

cheers,
pt



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segway ht journal:
http://www.bookofseg.com

other stuff:
http://www.flashenabled.com

[st7860]

jack(the segwaybc.com rental store) is hiring students as trainers - see below

in one example, he job posted at a college. in another, he posted at a secondary school!!!

http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?p=segway+vancouver+employment&ei=UTF-8

http://216.109.117.135/search/cache?p=segway+vancouver+employment&ei=UTF-8&url=s1YJO5dM_f8J:hamber.vsb.bc.ca/sites/bulletin/Bulletin.htm

[Vansegway]

First..I would like to know how many of you have been in the vancouver shop and have had training from this jack guy???
I for one, and many of my aqauintances HAVE actually been there. We didn't see some mysterious internet video and judge the trainer and rental place, we didn't read some guy's opinion of the trainer on the web..we ACUTUALLY WENT there. And let me tell you, the training was good. I'm not saying he is fantastic, I'm not saying he is not in it for the money..he abviously is..but i don't think any of you have to worry about Segways being banned in vancouver
Second..i would actually like to see this mysterious video. Where can I find it?

All that I see on this thread is people totally over-reacting about some video.

[Vansegway]

Oh yes..and one more thing..
What exactly is your problem PT? Why are you overreacting so much? What are you afraid of..and what do you have against vancouver, and the renting place here?
I don't understand what you are trying to do..but so far let me tell you that everyone here in vancouver is happy with the current segway situation...you are the only one who seems to be creating controversy about the situation here.
Maybe you should get your facts str8 as well..and get better information from reliable sources , so that this forum can continue to be helpful and accurate,
thx

[st7860]

vanbcboy all it takes is a couple people getting "near misses" and/or "hit" by a careless person trained by the careless vanbc store and it could be banned

[st7860]

here is what i found in the _public_ whois domain database for segwaybc.com


Whois info for, segwaybc.com:
Registrant:
3D-Magic.com Inc
55556-15280 101 Ave
Surrey, BC V3R 0J7
CA

Domain name: SEGWAYBC.COM

Administrative Contact:
Cook, Jack jcook@surrey.bc1.ca
55556-15280 101 Ave
Surrey, BC V3R 0J7
CA
604-728-4353

[Vansegway]

Maybe none of you realise, but the Segways are new, the are pushing the boundaries of transportation..and yes..there will be accidents.
YES there will be people hurt when they get more popular, and people killed by cars, and young kids that will attempt stupid tricks, and rental shop owners that will think about the money aspect of things at first...but people will see that Segways are safe generally and everyhting will be FINE. I am sure that people got hurt on bikes at first, and on other scooters, and rollerblades..and that some people considered them unsafe at first when they saw that, but it didn't take long for them to be accepted and become part of everyday life. All i am saying is that everyone here should stop over-reacting. Most of you don't live in BC, so stop making a big deal out of it!! People here are happy with them and they will surely not be banned...and even if some of you thik they will be banned because of the stupid mistakes of immature individualts, what do you care?? It's not your city and I'm sure government officials in AL or NY can make up their own mind without influence from "insignificat BC".

[st7860]

what vancouverboy isnt telling you is that rollerbladers, cyclists etc still get into arguements on the pathways/parkways there

[Vansegway]

quote:Originally posted by st7860

what vancouverboy isnt telling you is that rollerbladers, cyclists etc still get into arguements on the pathways/parkways there


WHAT? now you are starting to piss the hell outta me!! that is complete bull Do you live here? NO! I rollerblade around the Stanley park seawall twice a week in the summer and I have never heard one argument!! I also mountainbike occasinally and i have never had one single problem. If you want to know, Vancouver has EXTENSIVE sea walls with two lanes for bikes/rollerbladers and pedestrians and it is the friendliest city in canada and possibly the US to bikers, rollerbladers and skateboarders! Stop posting nonsense, and ask around peoplw who live here or who have visited here and you will see that what i say is true.

[st7860]

vanboy you're just full of it