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CovRob

01-14-2009, 04:50 PM

I saw this on another forum and though it worth sharing here

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"SEGsuperstand is the state of the art kickstand made in Germany for SEGWAY. Full stainless steel/aluminium constrution. The single one with "automatic folding in feature" worldwide. Easy to mount, super to use. Once you got it, never you accept missing it.

See details www.segsuperstand.de or www.segsuperstand.com "

I've not long spoken to the guy in Germany who invented and is manufacturing these. He is producing a version for both the the i2 and the x2. He went to great lengths to detail the quality of the work and materials, sourcing some components from the top-end automotive industry suppliers as well as complying with legislation regarding kickstands on motorcycles and mopeds being required to either automatically retract or operate a "kill switch" for the engine when a rider prepares to ride off. In the case of a Segway, which is classified under their moped legislation, he arranges it so that when the Segway platform is horizontal enough to change from a red to a green led to allow balance mode to be activated the kickstand retracts automatically.

Retail price is currently planned to be €180 (approx $240 or £163 dependent upon prevailing exchange rates) plus shipping.

It's pricey, but appears to be well engineered and the inventor is keen to emphasise that his aim was to match the quality and standards of the Segway itself (rather than what INC produced as a kickstand!).

bentbiker

01-14-2009, 05:03 PM

Thanks for the post. Appears to be really well engineered. I know the rider descended some shallow steps, but the rear "pedal" sticks out far enough that I would want to see if it really clears a tall step/curb. Also, I wonder why he chose to have it lean so far forward on the stand -- it makes the LSF really stick out in front.

budsiskos

01-14-2009, 05:41 PM

the only downside is that if someone messes with the seg and it goes up, the seg will fall over

jkzulu

01-14-2009, 05:54 PM

Hi fellows,

special thanks to Rob, I did not expected to have the details of our SEGsuperstand so fast posted in here. You reported very well about our talks.

For any kind of questions, please feel invited to contact me during that initial phase, bringing the product to the market.

Pricewise it is planned to go in USD zone 1:1 with the Euro price, as vice versa it is the same with the SEGWAY, means 180-200 USD listprice. A bit depending on shipping and vendor partners.

Us thats SEGWAY Darmstadt, Germany , KRAUSE Technology GmbH.

Contact me here or under segway@4krause.com

I am happy to read your comments on our new product.

warm regards from Germany

Jens

CovRob

01-31-2009, 09:16 AM

I went ahead and bought two of these - one for my i2 & one for my x2 (I also have the Funky-Move Custom kickstands on my tour x2's). First off, Jens is excellent to do business with and is really passionate about both the Segway and the quality of his work. The SEGsuperstand is very well constructed and very easy to fit. When fitted the profile matches that of the battery packs, so there is no reduction in ground clearance. The press pedal at the back does not extend beyond the tyre diameter, so it doesn't catch on obstacles when descending - I have taken my x2 over some pretty demanding terrain since fitting and the battery packs grounded before any contact with parts of the stand.

All in all, an excellent design, well engineered and very effective. It operates from the rear and automatically retracts when the platform is moved to the horizontal position before stepping on. This feature does mean the Segway leans forward when parked. One consequent restriction is that if a heavy load is in the handlebar bag it could tip forward...but that would need quite a few kilos.

In comparison to the Funky-Move kickstand? Better, but about 3 times the price. I have had Funky-Move kickstands bend when the Seg has taken a tumble. I had one shear off when a tourer tried to ride off with it down - (an exchange facility is offered at about half the price of new). Neither should happen with the SEGsuperstand.

Some on here have commented about all the kickstands on offer needing action from the front of the Seg before steping on at the rear - not so with this invention.

I like them.

Bob.Kerns

01-31-2009, 01:33 PM

Some on here have commented about all the kickstands on offer needing action from the front of the Seg before steping on at the rear - not so with this invention.

I like them.

Thanks for the report. This last point (quoted above) is one of the things I find most attractive about the design.

I find it fairly awkward to deploy and retract the front-mounted kickstand. It's one problem I don't see how to fix with things I have lying around the home!

emrnyc

01-31-2009, 03:22 PM

Can we get them in the US?
Will they work on a i170 and XT?
Thanks
Martin

CovRob

01-31-2009, 04:19 PM

Can we get them in the US?
Will they work on a i170 and XT?
Thanks
MartinMartin,

Jens listed his email address a couple of posts before and explained his plans for distribution...he is in start-up phase. They are not a Gen 1 fitment either.

emrnyc

01-31-2009, 04:29 PM

Martin,

Jens listed his email address a couple of posts before and explained his plans for distribution...he is in start-up phase. They are not a Gen 1 fitment either.

Thanks....
I must of missed it.....
Shame it won't work on a Gen 1...

Gihgehls

02-27-2009, 05:05 PM

Does anybody know how the x2 kickstand would work on an i2? Would the i2 end up not tipping so far forward? Accidental activation of the segway while parked is not one of my concerns, although I understand it is required for parking stands made in Germany.

CovRob

02-27-2009, 08:31 PM

I think the difference is the length of the folding leg. When deployed the longer x2 kickstand on an i2 would leave the platform fairly level and it would have to be tilted back further to allow it to retract.

Unless Jens corrects me I think that would be the only difference, but I am sure that if you emailed him (jens.krause AT 4krause.com)and asked that specific question he would expand if neccessary.

SEGsby

02-28-2009, 11:26 PM

That's a fricken awesome kickstand!!!

And SOOO much better than the crappy Official one... Excellent work Jens! I want one!!!!

CovRob

03-01-2009, 05:18 AM

... Excellent work Jens! I want one!!!!
order one here (http://www.segsuperstand.com/) :thumbsup:

Bob.Kerns

03-01-2009, 05:22 AM

order one here (http://www.segsuperstand.com/) :thumbsup:

I can't tell from that site whether they'll ship to the US.

I do see they offer an option to ship via email, no charge...

Gihgehls

03-01-2009, 01:53 PM

I can't tell from that site whether they'll ship to the US.

I do see they offer an option to ship via email, no charge...

Home fabricator not included! :)

ViperGTS

03-30-2009, 02:46 PM

I was able to test the stand on an x2 today - seems to work very well!

Gihgehls

03-30-2009, 03:05 PM

I've had some exchanges with Jens and he is a pleasure to work with. I inquired about the seemingly excessive angle the stand leaves the seg at. In Germany, it seems, kickstands have to either disable the machine they hold up, or automatically retract if the machine begins travelling. Their kickstand has to hold the Segway at an angle that doesn't allow it to go into balance mode.

I asked about using the x2 kickstand on an i2, and he actually did a report and took pictures for me. The x2 kickstand holds the i2 perfectly level, meaning it is very possible to accidentally put the machine into full balance mode with kickstand deployed, likely resulting in injury or damage to the machine/stand. Personally I know my machine well enough not to do this, so I will look into buying the x2 stand once some money comes my way.

Ken Bracewell

04-27-2009, 02:14 PM

Jens,
I hope you're able to read this and send me a PM. I have tried to respond to your email but it has been returned as undeliverable.
Kindest Regards,
Ken Bracewell

Ken Bracewell

04-29-2009, 08:56 AM

I went to Jens' website and purchased a stand for my I2 and paid through PayPal. Jens sent me an email saying that he can't ship them to the US on his lawyers' advice (thanks to the litigious nature of the US as a whole) but all my subsequent emails have been returned from the German Mailer Daemon.
Does anyone have an alternate way to reach him?
I'd really like to try the stand, but at the very least I'd like to get my $$ back.

CovRob

04-29-2009, 04:00 PM

I've had frequent contact with Jens over all my purchases, so I've emailed him direct, referring him to this thread. Hopefully you'll get a quick response.

Ken Bracewell

04-29-2009, 05:38 PM

I've had frequent contact with Jens over all my purchases, so I've emailed him direct, referring him to this thread. Hopefully you'll get a quick response.

Much obliged!

jkzulu

04-30-2009, 05:50 AM

Hi Ken,

I am sorry that ourmail system seemed to be unavailable. we had these
days a server overload on our computer specialits equipment.

I answered to you, but was engaged outside of germany, so no chance
to complete your case quickly.

I will contact you today night again as I have anyhow a phone conference with
South Carolina at 7 pm my time.

Thanks for your patience and hello to all the other members of the forum.

Jens

bud01234

05-09-2009, 03:28 PM

have had Funky-Move kickstands bend when the Seg has taken a tumble. I had one shear off when a tourer tried to ride off with it down - (an exchange facility is offered at about half the price of new).

Mine is sheared also- Can you point me in the direction to get info on how to exchange it??? I've been looking for a week but every site is in German and emails are not being answered. (probably don't understand english).

Thanks!
Bud

funky-move.de

05-09-2009, 03:52 PM

Mine is sheared also- Can you point me in the direction to get info on how to exchange it??? I've been looking for a week but every site is in German and emails are not being answered. (probably don't understand english).

Thanks!
Bud

Hi Bud

we are working on a translation - but it takes time we dont have in the moment.. sorry about that. If you wish something - if you have questions.... feel free to send me an email..
The trade in program for the kickstand is not offered on the website..

we disigned the fmc-parking stand with a safety issue - it bends if you forgot to fold in.. but if it can not bend (physically) it break.. we are sure that it is much better to have a broken kickstand than a broken nose.. and also we offer our customers a more than fair qoute to change the broken one to a new one. and because of the shipping is high, we have two distributors in the US - Segway of scottsdale and segway of indianapolis..

all the best, olaf

p.s. we have changed the design again... we made the main part 4mm shorter so it is more easy to climb stairs ;-)

Ken Bracewell

05-29-2009, 12:35 PM

AggiePhil

06-11-2009, 07:29 PM

How are y'all getting these in the US considering that his lawyer apparently advised him not to export them?

Ken Bracewell

06-12-2009, 07:14 AM

How are y'all getting these in the US considering that his lawyer apparently advised him not to export them?

He has worked something out. Contact him directly for the info.

AggiePhil

06-21-2009, 10:42 PM

Still trying to find somebody who will sell me one of these in the US... :rolleyes: