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ftropea
10-10-2002, 12:54 PM
From CNN:

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(CNN) -- They don't use gasoline or electricity, but these new Honda and Mercedes-Benz cars can whiz by at speeds up to 93 mph.

The new fuel cell cars are powered by hydrogen, the most abundant element in the universe, and they are pollution and noise free.

The mayor of smog-choked Los Angeles, Jim Hahn, likes them so much he signed a lease with Honda this week that will put city employees behind the wheel of five of the experimental cars by year's end.

"Hydrogen-powered fuel cell vehicles hold great promise for future clean air vehicles," Hahn said in a press release. "It's important that Los Angeles play a leading role in development and early use of this technology."

Not to be outdone, DaimlerChrysler also announced this week the production of a fleet of Mercedes-Benz A-Class cars in the U.S. and Europe. Like Honda's cars, the DaimlerChrysler cars get their power from compressed hydrogen, which mixes with oxygen to create electricity.

But finding a fueling station won't be easy. Companies who agree to use Mercedes-Benzes' 60 fuel cell cars will also have to install hydrogen-filling stations, and a Honda spokesman said his company plans a mobile refueling unit.

Honda's fuel cell vehicle can reach speeds of 93 mph.

If all that compressed hydrogen sounds dangerous, DaimlerChrysler spokesman Max Gates offered some reassurance.

"The engineering has been done with the fuel tanks to ensure their safety in all kinds of conditions, including collisions," he said.

Honda said its cars are certified by the California Air Resources Board and the Environmental Protection Agency.

And the company claims its fuel cell cars even outlast the Mercedes version, covering 220 miles before needing refueling. The Mercedes car is a hydrogen guzzler in comparison -- getting only 90 miles per tank.

Pressure mounts
While the auto industry has tested hydrogen-powered cars for years, this is the first time that automakers are letting average drivers have the keys, a crucial step before the cars can be introduced to the general market.

That's not likely to happen for a decade or longer while more testing is done, Gates said.

Hydrogen is the latest in a long line of alternative fuels considered by automakers: electricity, methanol and natural gas among them.

With pressure to introduce more zero-emission vehicles -- including a California law requiring a percentage of new cars sold in that state to produce no smog -- the car industry is in a race to find a new fuel that will click with consumers.

Blame game
Car industry critics say the problem lies with automakers reticent to shell out millions of dollars to develop the technology. Carmakers blame consumers for not embracing alternative fuel vehicles.

With environmental damage from vehicle emissions mounting, many fleets of alternative fuel cars will have to hit the road to clean the air, said Richard Varenchik, spokesman for the California Air Resources Board.

"It's really for the automakers to decide to a great extent when they will introduce the cars to a wide enough market and then for the public to use them," Varenchik said.



http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/ptech/10/09/fuelcell/index.html

Looks like hydrogen fuel cell powered automobiles just took another step closer to becoming a "reality" for the average consumer.

Regards,

Frank A. Tropea




don c.
10-13-2002, 12:01 AM
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=sci.energy

Here's a good UseNet group pertaining to hydrogen energy. As it turns out, one of the primary 'bashers' is Don Lancaster, one of the inventors of the 'TV typewriter', a Radio Electronics magazine project that ultimately inspired the home computer.

merlin
01-30-2003, 05:37 PM
I think it would be good if the US could sponsor programs that would help enable filling stations to make alternative types of fuel available at most stations. A tax deduction or something for places that make the alternatives available.

I also think that a program that would help auto insurance companies enable most households to own 2 cars would be beneficial. People could own one economy, gas efficient type car for commuting and one larger car that they can get the whole family or a lot of stuff into. I think that it is generally assumed that if a driver is using one car then they can’t be driving the other car at the same time.

Also improving the public transit commuter situation would not hurt. It costs most people twice as much and takes twice as long to use public transportation in the majority of situations. Most people can not afford this.

JT
05-05-2003, 03:12 PM
quote:Originally posted by merlin

I think it would be good if the US could sponsor programs that would help enable filling stations to make alternative types of fuel available at most stations. A tax deduction or something for places that make the alternatives available.

I also think that a program that would help auto insurance companies enable most households to own 2 cars would be beneficial. People could own one economy, gas efficient type car for commuting and one larger car that they can get the whole family or a lot of stuff into. I think that it is generally assumed that if a driver is using one car then they can’t be driving the other car at the same time.

Also improving the public transit commuter situation would not hurt. It costs most people twice as much and takes twice as long to use public transportation in the majority of situations. Most people can not afford this.



That is part of the reason that Gary Ballard went to Canada...