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Buckaroo Banzai
07-19-2006, 10:48 PM
I was raised to believe Pat Bachanan is an anti-Semite for many reasons.

But I must say, some of this paticular editorial makes some sense to me.
Not everything, but enough to give me pause.

Down is up and up is truly down if I find myself even remotely "on the same page" as Mr. Pat but...

Peace.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51116

Patrick J. Buchanan
Where are the Christians?
Posted: July 18, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2006 Creators Syndicate Inc.

When Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert unleashed his navy and air force on Lebanon, accusing that tiny nation of an "act of war," the last pillar of Bush's Middle East policy collapsed.

First came capitulation on the Bush Doctrine, as Pyongyang and Tehran defied Bush's dictum: The world's worst regimes will not be allowed to acquire the world's worst weapons. Then came suspension of the democracy crusade as Islamic militants exploited free elections to advance to power and office in Egypt, Lebanon, Gaza, the West Bank, Iraq and Iran.

Now, Israel's rampage against a defenseless Lebanon – smashing airport runways, fuel tanks, power plants, gas stations, lighthouses, bridges, roads and the occasional refugee convoy – has exposed Bush's folly in subcontracting U.S. policy out to Tel Aviv, thus making Israel the custodian of our reputation and interests in the Middle East.

The Lebanon that Israel, with Bush's blessing, is smashing up has a pro-American government, heretofore considered a shining example of his democracy crusade. Yet, asked in St. Petersburg if he would urge Israel to use restraint in its airstrikes, Bush sounded less like the leader of the Free World than some bellicose city councilman from Brooklyn Heights.

What Israel is up to was described by its army chief of staff, Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz, when he threatened to "turn back the clock in Lebanon 20 years."

Olmert seized upon Hezbollah's capture of two Israeli soldiers to unleash the IDF in a pre-planned attack to make the Lebanese people suffer until the Lebanese government disarms Hezbollah, a task the Israeli army could not accomplish in 18 years of occupation.

Israel is doing the same to the Palestinians. To punish these people for the crime of electing Hamas, Olmert imposed an economic blockade of Gaza and the West Bank and withheld the $50 million in monthly tax and customs receipts due the Palestinians.

Then, Israel instructed the United States to terminate all aid to the Palestinian Authority, though Bush himself had called for the elections and for the participation of Hamas. Our Crawford cowboy meekly complied.

The predictable result: Fatah and Hamas fell to fratricidal fighting, and Hamas militants began launching Qassam rockets over the fence from Gaza into Israel. Hamas then tunneled into Israel, killed two soldiers, captured one, took him back into Gaza and demanded a prisoner exchange.

Israel's response was to abduct half of the Palestinian cabinet and parliament and blow up a $50 million U.S.-insured power plant. That cut off electricity for half a million Palestinians. Their food spoiled, their water could not be purified, and their families sweltered in the summer heat of the Gaza desert. One family of seven was wiped out on a beach by what the IDF assures us was an errant artillery shell.

Let it be said: Israel has a right to defend herself, a right to counter-attack against Hezbollah and Hamas, a right to clean out bases from which Katyusha or Qassam rockets are being fired and a right to occupy land from which attacks are mounted on her people.

But what Israel is doing is imposing deliberate suffering on civilians, collective punishment on innocent people, to force them to do something they are powerless to do: disarm the gunmen among them. Such a policy violates international law and comports neither with our values nor our interests. It is un-American and un-Christian.

But where are the Christians? Why is Pope Benedict virtually alone among Christian leaders to have spoken out against what is being done to Lebanese Christians and Muslims?

When al-Qaida captured two U.S. soldiers and barbarically butchered them, the U.S. Army did not smash power plants across the Sunni Triangle. Why then is Bush not only silent but openly supportive when Israelis do this?

Democrats attack Bush for crimes of which he is not guilty, including Haditha and Abu Ghraib. Why are they, too, silent when Israel pursues a conscious policy of collective punishment of innocent peoples?

Britain's diplomatic goal in two world wars was to bring the naive cousins in, to "pull their chestnuts out of the fire." Israel and her paid and pro-bono agents here appear determined to expand the Iraq war into Syria and Iran, and have America fight and finish all of Israel's enemies.

That Tel Aviv is maneuvering us to fight its wars is understandable. That Americans are ignorant of, or complicit in this, is deplorable.

Already, Bush is ranting about Syria being behind the Hezbollah capture of the Israeli soldiers. But where is the proof?

Who is whispering in his ear? The same people who told him Iraq was maybe months away from an atom bomb, that an invasion would be a "cakewalk," that he would be Churchill, that U.S. troops would be greeted with candy and flowers, that democracy would break out across the region, that Palestinians and Israelis would then sit down and make peace?

How much must America pay for the education of this man?




pam
07-20-2006, 07:55 AM
I'm sort of at a loss as to what you're trying to do, Josh.

Are you just trying to point out that Christianity, which follows Christ's teaching, teaches to love your fellow man and turn the other cheek, and to not kill your fellow man (or to assist in that killing)? Or are you trying to point out that the people who have set Bush and the country on this path aren't Christians (well, that's pretty obvious) - or are you just taking another poke at the president and trying to stir up a firestorm on the forum? You're not going to get those who think Bush is the best thing since sliced bread to agree with you. You're more likely to get a firestorm. And he's going to be president for another 2 years, that's a given.

I will reiterate, the chat is not Daily KOS, not Eschaton, not Michelle Malkin, and not a place to poke a stick into a hornet's nest just because you have a sense of personal outrage. Zoli's thread is a reasoned conversation on the subject of the war. Your threads so far have not been the type to elicit reasoned conversation.

I rarely, if ever, take this kind of conversation to the forum, preferring to "moderate" off-list. However, I'm doing it on-list this time.

And a message to everyone. This is a difficult time, tempers run high because beliefs are very strong. Please practice self-moderation and if you find that a thread makes your blood boil, just ignore it, don't feed it. I really HATE to put people on moderation, but will do so if it is what is necessary to keep peace on the chat.

Pam

Desert_Seg
07-20-2006, 08:31 AM
Oy Vey! Wallahi! Tout Allors! Dios Mio!

If you locked down Josh's last post you should lock this one down. There's nonsense and there is drivel, and then there is nonsensical drivel. Try to guess where I think this falls?

Also, I think you should put yourself in the moderator's version of a corner. You've let your desire to get your anti-Christian slam against President Bush and his supporters (at least that is how I ready your "(well, that's pretty obvious)"

Oh, and I believe Josh's posts quite often yield reasonded response....between those who reply :-)

Steven

ZoliHonig
07-20-2006, 09:17 AM
Oy Vey! Wallahi! Tout Allors! Dios Mio!

Steven

LOL!

That's great..

KSagal
07-20-2006, 09:41 AM
I believe I may be the only poster so far that respects Buckaroo... He gets exactly what he wants...

He is not looking for reasoned response. He is looking for kneejerk responses.

Today, I cannot reply in the requested manner. I am up for a battle of wits any day, any time. This, however is not that. Steven was too kind when he called this nonsensical drivel. It has to go a lot further before it can attain that height.

GyroGo
07-20-2006, 09:42 AM
There is a distinct difference between a military operation with the self-defense goal of disarming rockets and missles vs. one designed to "punish" a civilian population and impose "deliberate suffering", but no doubt execution of the former can create an unintentional consequence of the latter. It is one thing when the innocent victims are confused about the goals, but I'm frankly surprised at Buchanan.

polo_pro
07-20-2006, 09:55 AM
OK, what rabble-rouser stole buckaroo banzai's password? 8^) 8^) 8^)

I'm not sure what is motivating him (nor am I saying I agree or disagree with any of his views)? However as I see it he's exercising is right to free speech in the proper place (off-topic). Even if his views are extreme, inflamatory and bordering on offensive for whatever reason, I hope this community tolerates this.

ps - Anyone who has lost patience with people who repeatedly express unpopular opinions should probably search for "do not feed the troll" on Google. Again, I want to emphasize that I do not support overtly disruptive behavior, but I understand the right of everyone to express their opinions in the proper place.

Desert_Seg
07-20-2006, 09:56 AM
...I'm frankly surprised at Buchanan.

I'm more surprised that people are listening (reading) and believing what he wrote.

But then, this only proves the adage "there is a fool born every minute".

Steven

Sal
07-20-2006, 09:57 AM
I am locking this thread, for obvious reasons.

There is no need to go on. I don't know the reasons that political molotov cocktails are being posted, especially when we all know who the typical responders are and what they'll say.

It is getting old.

Steven, I think the jab at Pam was uncalled for. Moderators have a right to express their opinions as well, and she did it with the sophisticated subtlety that is expected from a woman of her stature.

-Sal