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Old 04-20-2016, 12:11 PM   #11
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Ok , thanks for the info , now I will try to figure out what version of CSB mounts my i180 .

Is there a way to test the CSB without batteries ?
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Your quite welcome. I would assume there probably is but I have honestly never looked into it since I always have had good batteries here to use.
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Old 04-21-2016, 03:00 AM   #13
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My CSB is MAGNETEK 3A52-12-1
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Old 04-21-2016, 11:17 AM   #14
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If you have access to a known good battery pack you can do a simple test to see if your CSB is charging the battery. We posted a video here for that http://www.mtobattery.com/segway-charger-testing/
Thank you for making this available to the Segway community.
As Segway backs away from the Gen one models I suspect more and more of us will be doing our own diagnostic and service work.
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Old 04-21-2016, 02:48 PM   #15
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Today I opened the csb and noticed that the whole part in AC - 220v works .
In fact, the 430V and 17V power supplies are generated correctly. (PCB on TOP)

The problem is that one of the two stages to 90V ( output for battery charging ) is in error and is kept disabled .

In fact the mosfet driver B6NB50 ( L6598D ) is off and does not allow the MOSFET to drive the transformer to generate the VDC Output 90V .

Visually there are no burnt components , tomorrow I will try to analyze why the driver is not enabled .

Have feedback on csb repaired ? which I recommended components to check first?

Thank you

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Old 04-21-2016, 11:08 PM   #16
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Hi Strady77,

Unfortunately, technical support for Segway (outside of Segway, Inc. itself) is difficult to obtain everywhere on the planet. The mother ship doesn't release much technical support documentation, and directly handles all important repairs. This MAY change with Segway's new owners, but I haven't seen anything yet that supports this thought.

It is quite unlikely that you will be able to electronically communicate with the Seg. Dealers MIGHT be able to do so, but more likely, all they will get is some kind of error code, rather than detailed diagnostic information. More than likely, the Seg would have to go back to the factory, except I think the factory has only very limited support any more for "Gen 1" machines like the I180. You could send an Email to Segway and ask.

Of course, the Seg won't work with bad batteries, and batteries are one of the most likely failures with Segs. One MUST keep the batteries properly charged, or they will drop below a minimum voltage, and the Seg WILL NOT charge them anymore. If your Seg hasn't been kept on charge regularly (in the 10+ years since it was made), the batteries could easily be bad.

You might try to find someone in Italy that has known good batteries that you could try. Then you'll know if your problem is batteries, battery charger, or something else.

You might also try contacting "MTOBATTERY" on this forum. They may have some ideas about whether you can test the batteries. BE CAREFUL! There can be a LOT of energy in those batteries. Doing the wrong thing can be very dangerous!
you mentioned 220 volts are you sure it shouldn't be 110-120 volts or so im only familiar with x2s so im just
offering a thought
check your manuals they are fairly good
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Even if nobody cares , because the help , I update you on the mend.

I think it's normal that the CSB is connected to AC power and fully DISCONNECT from segway display the report with 1 red led and 1 led off.

This is because the base enables the CSB by the gnd closure of a contact on the CSB J3 connector .

Once contact has closed the CSB is active , yellow LED for 1-2 seconds then Both of the LED to OFF .

I assume that now linking the batteries can start the charging cycle .
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Strady77, thank you for keeping us updated on your findings.

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you mentioned 220 volts are you sure it shouldn't be 110-120 volts or so im only familiar with x2s so im just
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check your manuals they are fairly good
Perhaps Strady77 is located somewhere other than the USA.
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exact, i'm from ITALY



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Strady77, thank you for keeping us updated on your findings.



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exact, i'm from ITALY
Which, of course, explains why it's 220 volts.
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