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Old 08-25-2015, 09:54 PM   #11
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Like I f'en know?

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Ok prince charming you got any ideas?... Love when people who so called have all the answeres give BS questions!!
Aside from the gratuitous insults -- no, I have no ideas for improving our economic system. In fact, I don't know of another economic system in the world that works better.

But I'm willing to learn, which is why I asked the "BS questions".

Thanks, and sorry I annoyed you.

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airdale,

I agree with many of your points. I disagree on your definition and condemnation of Capitalism, but many of your issues are also mine, and I have presented them here before.

I choose to buy american products as much as I can, and will pay more for local products than cheap imports.

I have posted here before that I will drive past a convenient cheap store to shop at a further but more aligned and respectful place, and had some on this board attack me for it.

I own no Apple products personally, and do not care for their business model on several factors, not just their manufacturing. I believe their hardware and products to be very good, just do not care for their policies.

US capitalism is not what it was, and surely there have been abuses, but I personally believe it is because the United States is so much more socialist than it ever was in the past. There have been major corruptions of both the political class, and the labor class. Unions own politicians, every bit as much as business own them. Most all US politicians are for sale, and anyone with money is buying them. (This is hardly a US problem, but the decline of the US system is the topic at hand)

There is plenty of fault to go around in this area. If US consumers had a higher standard than just the cheapest price for their products, then much would be different. But it is not the case.

So, Capitalism is a problem and while not the best system out there, it happens to be a whole lot better than the 2nd best one out there...
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So, Capitalism is a problem and while not the best system out there, it happens to be a whole lot better than the 2nd best one out there...
I'm not sure I understand.
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I'm not sure I understand.
I was saying that I agree with airdale that capitalism is flawed. He said words to the effect that we should blow it up because it is broken.

I say it may be broken, but it is still better than whatever one may feel is 2nd best. (in other words, it is the best available)

I have seen what other types of governments reap. I have seen how people are treated in other parts of the world, and in other social economic systems.

I do believe that there is much to do here, much that is wrong. I just have personally seen that there are far greater problems in other places...
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I say it may be broken, but it is still better than whatever one may feel is 2nd best. (in other words, it is the best available)
I absolutely agree. I was just confused by your original wording:

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while not the best system out there, it happens to be a whole lot better than the 2nd best one out there...
(Emphasis added to indicate what I found confusing)

I would say: While clearly not perfect, .........
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That type of phrasing came from an exchange I had with a person many years ago in France.

I was in the Army, and while stationed in Germany, had gone to a restaurant I liked that was across the border in France. This was a great old building that had been a restaurant in the same family for over 300 years. It was a casual place out in the country, at the end of a long dirt road, at the top of a small hill in the foothills of a small mountain range.

This restaurant building and grounds were previously a monastery for 1200 years, or so I was told. (I found out later the kitchen had running water from a working Roman built aqueduct, making is significantly older than I thought...)

Anyway, in the late 70s and early 80s, this place was a common hangout for some marxist hippy types as well as several other groups. Regan was elected, and I was there with some German friends, and got into a late, late night semi drunk debate with a young frenchman who tried to tell me that The United States and Regan were not that great, and that the Russian people did not want to hurt anyone. He asked why he should have to work so hard, so the government could tax him and use the money to buy missiles and rockets to fight Russia, just because of Regan. He went on to tell me that despite what I may think or say, the United States was not the best country on the planet.

I told him he may be right. It may not be the best place on the planet. But then I told him I had been to the 2nd best place on the planet, and it was better than that. (I restrained myself from telling him that without the US, we would be having the conversation in German instead of French.)

From that point on, whenever I am told of flaws and imperfections in the US, and then told that it is not all that, or such a good place, I respond by agreeing, it is not the best place. It is however, better than the 2nd best place.

I continue to travel. I continue to see other places. I continue to feel that even with the multiple flaws in the United States, it is significantly better than the next best place I have seen. For me, at least.
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Thanks for the tale, Karl.

To follow up on a previous discussion - the company owners are interested in maximizing profit, and doing that for the reasonably-long term. They will do lots of research to find how many they can sell at different price points.

If they can make more profit by lowering the price and selling many more units, that's what will happen.

So, it's possible that the price might come down a lot.
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sorry, Dale but I think itīs all about money.
They saw the opportunity to make fast money and they did. This is definitly not a "win-win" ..... itīs a "$$-$$".
In my opinion giving the patents out of the US was a bad mistake.
Ninebot will continue to sell their crappy products and endanger human health and let good US-products die.
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