Alternate tires for segways.... - Page 3

Madsegs · 05-04-2007, 06:39 PM

Ther are 2 tyres that match the XT rims exactly, both from Kenda.
K572 (on road /offroad)

And the K546F Speedracer Front (road)

http://www.kendausa.com/atv/onroad.html

Please note that i have not and will not be testing these as i run city tours.....but i found them online.

zac · 05-05-2007, 01:01 AM

Anyone using 60/100 14's without a tube?

KSagal · 05-05-2007, 01:09 AM

I use tubes, but some guys in California are using tires that say they need tubes, without them... At least one did post that he had no problem...

Madsegs · 05-05-2007, 02:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zac

Anyone using 60/100 14's without a tube?

Hola Zac

Not really possible as the 60 width needs to be forced out with the tube to fit 100. It would be VERY difficult to get the tyre/rim to seal without a tube.

Hope this helps.

Antony

Isidore · 05-05-2007, 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Madsegs

Hola Zac

Not really possible as the 60 width needs to be forced out with the tube to fit 100. It would be VERY difficult to get the tyre/rim to seal without a tube.

Hope this helps.

Antony

If you pump them up with an airline and if necessary use a strap round the outside of the tyre to distort it temporarily until the air forces a seal and pops the tyre into place this might work. For large truck tyres and the like there is even a special tool, an air reservoir with a short pipe to the tyre valve and a quick opening tap to force a lot of air in fast. Called a bead sealer, I think. Total overkill for a Seg but the principle is the point...

ian purvis · 05-05-2007, 10:07 AM

Thanks for the responses folks, I didn't realise I was logged in earlier as my son Zac.

Went ahead and got the tubes and it all worked fine. Even with the tubes I had to go to about 35psi before I could get the tires to spread enough on the rims. Do they stay there ok when you go back to normal pressure?

Madsegs · 05-05-2007, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ian purvis

Thanks for the responses folks, I didn't realise I was logged in earlier as my son Zac.

Went ahead and got the tubes and it all worked fine. Even with the tubes I had to go to about 35psi before I could get the tires to spread enough on the rims. Do they stay there ok when you go back to normal pressure?

I use 20PSI and thats about minimum as any less and the tyre tends to move on heavy breaking (on the rim). 35 must be a heavy /hard ride.

cmonkey · 05-05-2007, 07:26 PM

To help with getting a tire to seat properly. I used the inner tubes to prep the tires.
The first time I tried to put on the tire, it was a pain because the tires were stacked in storage and the beads were almost touching each other. I actually had to use a strap to compress and deform the tire in order to get the bead to spread out and be able to catch air.
On my second set, I used the innner tubes. What I did was put the tubes in the tires (off the wheel) and over inflate the inner tubes. Then I let the tires cook in the sun for an anfternoon. Then I took out the innertubes later in the evening when it was much cooler, and the tires had take a new new shape with the beads spread out nicely. I put the tires on the wheels, and didn't have to fight a bit to get them to seat.

One note: To help keep a good seal, I used aircraft gasket material to seal the bead area. It's tacky enough to keep things from sliding about, but not so permanent, allowing me to easily swap and experiment with other tires.

Madsegs · 05-08-2007, 09:34 AM

I have found and tested a tyre that is second to none. Wider than a Chenshin (KETT) with very similar tread. Also as the chenshin rides on 3 tracks of knobs, the Bridgestone (KETT 2) trial wing 5 rides on all 5 giving a bigger footprint giving it has unrivaled grip. Best thing is that they are readily avaliable and still in production. The compound is softer than KETTs and makes for a more comfortable ride (not that the KETTs had a problem in this area). Clearance from the top of the fender is 2mm more than KETTs but as it is a wider tyre it still only fits an i167/170 fender. With a little cutting/grinding it should fit an i180 but i am not going to try that yet as i have i167 fenders on my new XT and it works perferctly. As for the i2 i do not have one so im not sure. Top speed is 22km/h, the chenshins is 23km/h due to the slight increase in overall diameter.
KETT on the left and KETT2 on the right.
bridgestone.JPG Chen Bridges.JPG The Best tested.JPG
trail wing 5.JPG TW5.JPG
I bought them easily online from http://www.neumaticosdemoto.es/
and they have 11 countries listed just click on the right hand link.
Search for 2.75-14 (remember to place the "-" in the speed section or it will not search.
If you need anyhelp or extra info just let me know.

joe · 05-08-2007, 02:46 PM

Wow, great finding Antony!

You payed 47.90 Euro ($65) per tire incl. shipping, right?

For Germany it's cheaper - 35.50 Euro. Delticom is a reliable tire shop, I bought several car tires there already. (For German customers - www.1-2-motorradreifen.de is even cheaper, but without shipping costs).

Do we need a tube? If yes, what type/size etc.? Valve modifications? (Link to appropriate thread would be ok if that's already answered.)

--
Johannes

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05-05-2007, 01:09 AM	#23
KSagal Glides a lot, talks more... Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Pelham, NH, USA. Posts: 10,356	I use tubes, but some guys in California are using tires that say they need tubes, without them... At least one did post that he had no problem... __________________ Karl Ian Sagal To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. "Well done is better than well said." (Ben Franklin) Bene factum melior bene dictum Proud past President of SEG America and member of the First Premier Segway Enthusiasts Group and subsequent ones as well.

05-05-2007, 07:26 PM	#28
cmonkey Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Orange, CA, USA. Posts: 1,064	To help with getting a tire to seat properly. I used the inner tubes to prep the tires. The first time I tried to put on the tire, it was a pain because the tires were stacked in storage and the beads were almost touching each other. I actually had to use a strap to compress and deform the tire in order to get the bead to spread out and be able to catch air. On my second set, I used the innner tubes. What I did was put the tubes in the tires (off the wheel) and over inflate the inner tubes. Then I let the tires cook in the sun for an anfternoon. Then I took out the innertubes later in the evening when it was much cooler, and the tires had take a new new shape with the beads spread out nicely. I put the tires on the wheels, and didn't have to fight a bit to get them to seat. One note: To help keep a good seal, I used aircraft gasket material to seal the bead area. It's tacky enough to keep things from sliding about, but not so permanent, allowing me to easily swap and experiment with other tires. __________________ Charriot of Fur - Onward!

05-08-2007, 09:34 AM	#29
Madsegs Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Madrid, Spain. Posts: 256	KETT 2´s have been found! I have found and tested a tyre that is second to none. Wider than a Chenshin (KETT) with very similar tread. Also as the chenshin rides on 3 tracks of knobs, the Bridgestone (KETT 2) trial wing 5 rides on all 5 giving a bigger footprint giving it has unrivaled grip. Best thing is that they are readily avaliable and still in production. The compound is softer than KETTs and makes for a more comfortable ride (not that the KETTs had a problem in this area). Clearance from the top of the fender is 2mm more than KETTs but as it is a wider tyre it still only fits an i167/170 fender. With a little cutting/grinding it should fit an i180 but i am not going to try that yet as i have i167 fenders on my new XT and it works perferctly. As for the i2 i do not have one so im not sure. Top speed is 22km/h, the chenshins is 23km/h due to the slight increase in overall diameter. KETT on the left and KETT2 on the right. bridgestone.JPG Chen Bridges.JPG The Best tested.JPG trail wing 5.JPG TW5.JPG I bought them easily online from http://www.neumaticosdemoto.es/ and they have 11 countries listed just click on the right hand link. Search for 2.75-14 (remember to place the "-" in the speed section or it will not search. If you need anyhelp or extra info just let me know. __________________ Antony Don´t you just love segs, i´m always riding mine. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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05-05-2007, 01:01 AM	#22
zac New Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2	Anyone using 60/100 14's without a tube?

05-05-2007, 10:07 AM	#26
ian purvis Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Christchurch, New Zealand. Posts: 74	Thanks for the responses folks, I didn't realise I was logged in earlier as my son Zac. Went ahead and got the tubes and it all worked fine. Even with the tubes I had to go to about 35psi before I could get the tires to spread enough on the rims. Do they stay there ok when you go back to normal pressure?

05-08-2007, 02:46 PM	#30
joe Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Munich, Bavaria, Germany. Posts: 440	Wow, great finding Antony! You payed 47.90 Euro ($65) per tire incl. shipping, right? For Germany it's cheaper - 35.50 Euro. Delticom is a reliable tire shop, I bought several car tires there already. (For German customers - www.1-2-motorradreifen.de is even cheaper, but without shipping costs). Do we need a tube? If yes, what type/size etc.? Valve modifications? (Link to appropriate thread would be ok if that's already answered.) -- Johannes

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