SegwayChat
Home . Old Gallery

Go Back   SegwayChat > Segway Forums > Segway General Discussion

Notices

Segway General Discussion General discussion related to any model of Segways, miniPROs, or Ninebots. Please do not post non-Segway technology posts here; use the technology forum instead.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-11-2014, 05:58 AM   #1
Amimoto
Member
Amimoto will become famous soon enoughAmimoto will become famous soon enough
 
Amimoto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Taiwan
Posts: 195
5 yr Member
Default Chinese Knockoffs Roam U.S. Streets

Segway Owner Claims Chinese Knockoffs Roam U.S. Streets

Segway Inc., maker of the self-balancing “people mover” that has struggled to expand beyond a niche market since its splashy debut 13 years ago, is now taking to suing its growing number of imitators.

The Inmotion transporter, promoted heavily at consumer electronics shows, as well as the WindRunner, Ninebot, FreeGo and Robstep are being targeted in a U.S. trade complaint filed yesterday. Closely held Segway and a firm controlled by inventor Dean Kamen are seeking to halt what they call a “widespread pattern of infringement” by the Chinese manufacturers.

They “duplicate, in some cases extremely closely, the design and operation of these Segway personal transporters,” Segway and Kamen’s Deka Products LP said. The companies “intend their products to largely if not completely mimic Segways’s personal transporters in operation.”

The complaint filed with the U.S. International Trade Commission in Washington lists at least six manufacturers and three distributors that Segway claims are infringing two patents related to the transporter controls, and two for the design of the machines. If Segway wins the case, the government could block the competing products made overseas from the U.S. market.

Millard Jacobs of Laurel Hill, North Carolina, who runs the roboscooters.com website, was one of the distributors named. He said in an interview he was told that the makers of the scooters he sells -- Shenzhen Inmotion Technologies Co., Robstep Robot Co. and Ninebot Inc. -- had developed their own technology.

............and more, full article please follow link below

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...s-streets.html
Amimoto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2014, 10:47 AM   #2
Civicsman
Senior Member
Civicsman is a glorious beacon of lightCivicsman is a glorious beacon of lightCivicsman is a glorious beacon of lightCivicsman is a glorious beacon of lightCivicsman is a glorious beacon of lightCivicsman is a glorious beacon of light
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Freedonia!
Posts: 1,703
5 yr Member
Default

It is about freakin' time that Segway started protecting its patents!

and... it's time that the Chinese manufacturers learned that they can get away with anything they want, in China, but their lack of respect for patents does not mean they can sell with impunity elsewhere in the world.

Sellers of self-balancing personal transport knockoffs, prepare to have your floor stock and incoming shipments seized by the federal government. Buyers of illegal knockoffs, prepare for no warranty, no service, and no parts.

Good riddance.
Civicsman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2014, 12:38 PM   #3
Gihgehls
Senior Member
Gihgehls is just really niceGihgehls is just really niceGihgehls is just really niceGihgehls is just really niceGihgehls is just really nice
 
Gihgehls's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Galactic Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha
Posts: 2,086
5 yr Member
Default

I wonder, is it possible for another company to create what is legally considered an EPAMD.

"(46.04.1695) "Electric personal assistive mobility device"
(EPAMD) means a self-balancing device with two wheels not in
tandem, designed to transport only one person by an electric
propulsion system with an average power of seven hundred fifty
watts (one horsepower) having a maximum speed on a paved level
surface, when powered solely by such a propulsion system while
ridden by an operator weighing one hundred seventy pounds, of less
than twenty miles per hour. "

Is it possible for another company to create an EPAMD without infringing?
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
"...if you insist on being imprecise in use and unique in definition, you should hardly be surprised that your attempts at communication are poorly understood." -a wise man
Gihgehls is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2014, 01:09 PM   #4
jgbackes
Senior Member
jgbackes is a jewel in the roughjgbackes is a jewel in the roughjgbackes is a jewel in the roughjgbackes is a jewel in the rough
 
jgbackes's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: San Jose, CA - USA
Posts: 1,314
5 yr Member HT/PT Owner Segway Polo Player SegwayFest Attendee
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Amimoto View Post
Segway Owner Claims Chinese Knockoffs Roam U.S. Streets
<snip>
The complaint filed with the U.S. International Trade Commission in Washington lists at least six manufacturers and three distributors that Segway claims are infringing two patents related to the transporter controls, and two for the design of the machines. If Segway wins the case, the government could block the competing products made overseas from the U.S. market.
<snip>
I have been waiting for this hammer to fall for years.

jeff
__________________
sǝʞɔɐq ɟɟǝɾ

If I had known I was going to live this long, I would have taken better care of myself.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
jgbackes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2014, 01:56 PM   #5
dale@thecoys.net
Senior Member
dale@thecoys.net will become famous soon enough
 
dale@thecoys.net's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Lee's Summit, MO, USA
Posts: 1,217
5 yr Member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gihgehls View Post
Is it possible for another company to create an EPAMD without infringing?
Of course. That (by itself) isn't patented.
dale@thecoys.net is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2014, 04:52 PM   #6
Tritium
Member
Tritium will become famous soon enough
 
Tritium's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Tucson
Posts: 792
5 yr Member HT/PT Owner
Default

Good!
Less idiots getting hurt on the clones and then going off and claiming they got hurt on a "Segway"
Tritium is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2014, 07:54 PM   #7
Gihgehls
Senior Member
Gihgehls is just really niceGihgehls is just really niceGihgehls is just really niceGihgehls is just really niceGihgehls is just really nice
 
Gihgehls's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Galactic Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha
Posts: 2,086
5 yr Member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dale@thecoys.net View Post
Of course. That (by itself) isn't patented.
I guess I'm wondering which aspects of the design they consider infringing, since the legal definition outlines several parts (two non-tandem wheels, width of 24 inches, max speed of 20 mph.)
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
"...if you insist on being imprecise in use and unique in definition, you should hardly be surprised that your attempts at communication are poorly understood." -a wise man
Gihgehls is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2014, 10:19 PM   #8
dale@thecoys.net
Senior Member
dale@thecoys.net will become famous soon enough
 
dale@thecoys.net's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Lee's Summit, MO, USA
Posts: 1,217
5 yr Member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gihgehls View Post
I guess I'm wondering which aspects of the design they consider infringing, since the legal definition outlines several parts (two non-tandem wheels, width of 24 inches, max speed of 20 mph.)
Quoting from the article: "Segway claims are infringing two patents related to the transporter controls, and two for the design of the machines."

You can't patent number of wheels, width, or speed. But IANAL.
dale@thecoys.net is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2014, 11:52 PM   #9
airdale
Member
airdale will become famous soon enough
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Arizona
Posts: 555
5 yr Member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gihgehls View Post
I guess I'm wondering which aspects of the design they consider infringing, since the legal definition outlines several parts (two non-tandem wheels, width of 24 inches, max speed of 20 mph.)
and why should you care? Are you not the one who only cares about capitalism and you get your product as cheap as possible? Not trying to be harsh but you could care less as long as you get what you want cheap....?
airdale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2014, 11:59 PM   #10
jgbackes
Senior Member
jgbackes is a jewel in the roughjgbackes is a jewel in the roughjgbackes is a jewel in the roughjgbackes is a jewel in the rough
 
jgbackes's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: San Jose, CA - USA
Posts: 1,314
5 yr Member HT/PT Owner Segway Polo Player SegwayFest Attendee
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by airdale View Post
and why should you care? Are you not the one who only cares about capitalism and you get your product as cheap as possible? Not trying to be harsh but you could care less as long as you get what you want cheap....?
Since when is the patent system anti-capitalist? It is a government granted Monopoly for a specified period of time. It is in place in order to maximize return on investment. What could possibly be more capitalistic?

jeff
__________________
sǝʞɔɐq ɟɟǝɾ

If I had known I was going to live this long, I would have taken better care of myself.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
jgbackes is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:06 PM.
Copyright 2002-2024 SegwayChat.org
All rights reserved.

FreshBlue vBulletin skin by
VayaDesign
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SegwayChat Archive