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Old 09-16-2014, 11:53 AM   #1
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Is any one familiar with these keys?, I have few questions:
1. I understand that the company can create new keys according to chassis number, however if I have one RED key working, will the new set (RED, YELLOW, BLACK) disable my old key ?
2. I seen in NET that these key can be duplicated with reader/writer however I understand that I need to have something like "base code" which is only in yellow key? is this correct?
3. Does the keys has built-in battery (seen in DALLAS site that some of the keys has battery) - is this key with battery?, can this battery stop working after few years?

If any one know some of the questions please answer
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I'll try with a few answers.
1. If the factory makes a new set for you, it will not disable you current red key. If you have a currently working key (any color) several of the local dealers as well as the factory can read the code off a working key and make a new key or new set of key's.
2. Yes to the part about the key code (base code). It" the code" can be read from any working key not just the yellow key. It also came in a print out version with the original purchase.
3. There is NO battery in the i-button key. Key's will not "go bad" with time.

Because of an desire to prevent thief's from getting new keys most kkey makers will want proof that you are the legal owner. Hope you got a bill of sale when you bought it or the original owner notified segway it was sold to you.

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Old 09-16-2014, 01:12 PM   #3
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1. No, your old key will still work.
2. I believe as long as you have any key you are able to copy the key code to another ibutton. I haven't personally done it but have watched dealers do it for me.
3. I am unsure as I never gave it any thought. I can tell you I have original P-133 keys that still work so I assume there is no battery or I would like to think mine would have died by now.
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Old 09-16-2014, 02:24 PM   #4
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Hi,
I bought this one almost for free as parts and fixed it
Fortunately the seller gave me set of buttons, one of them works for me
As I understand the code is not in the handle but it is written in the chassis boards.
But I am not sure if I read the data where it is ....
I have seen some ibutton reader/writter and purchased one on ebay, with empty keys type DS1993L which are the one that suitable to this model (I think) this type is not just "serial key" but also hold NVM (memory) that is saving some data during the ride (which is probably for Segway to analyze things)
Also there are some SW on the net to write the data, I will try to play with it when I get it
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anyone know how to copy keys i180
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.....NVM (memory) that is saving some data during the ride....
That part is not a correct conclusion. I think you've probably got the rest of it correct.
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I'll try with a few answers.
1. If the factory makes a new set for you, it will not disable you current red key. If you have a currently working key (any color) several of the local dealers as well as the factory can read the code off a working key and make a new key or new set of key's.
2. Yes to the part about the key code (base code). It" the code" can be read from any working key not just the yellow key. It also came in a print out version with the original purchase.
3. There is NO battery in the i-button key. Key's will not "go bad" with time.

Because of an desire to prevent thief's from getting new keys most kkey makers will want proof that you are the legal owner. Hope you got a bill of sale when you bought it or the original owner notified segway it was sold to you.
Well Mike you are wrong , it is not that I don't believe you, but I did disassembly the non-working ibutton - there is a Panasonic battery inside cell number BR1225, BTW I was amazed to see that it was still 2.9V voltage on it
When you measure the voltage - on a button key you see zero, so I suppose there is a special sequence to wake battery up
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Well Mike you are wrong , it is not that I don't believe you, but I did disassembly the non-working ibutton - there is a Panasonic battery inside cell number BR1225, BTW I was amazed to see that it was still 2.9V voltage on it
When you measure the voltage - on a button key you see zero, so I suppose there is a special sequence to wake battery up
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What was the part number of the ibutton that you disassembled? [Perhaps it was non-working because it was the wrong part?]

The proper ibutton for a Segway is DS1993L-F5. That's a 4KB part. The DS-1992L-F5 will actually work - it's a 1KB part, but that's enough capacity for the Segway key.

Those parts do not look at all like your pictures (no black case - all metal), but I have never disassembled a DS1993L-F5 to see whether it has a battery inside.

Here's a link that shows a good picture:

http://www.embeddeddatasystems.com/D...FWho7AodnmwAOA

Of course, there may be other part numbers that will work correctly - I'm just stating that DS1993L-F5 is the OEM part.

In any case, I am confident that the Segway is not "saving some data during the ride" on the key.
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Old 09-17-2014, 02:15 PM   #10
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Hi,
This is the original Segway button
And if you will look at the same page you sent - go to specification
and you will see this:

Battery Life

10+ Years

So for sure you have battery inside
see my picture again with metal which I did not include

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